You can’t possibly just look at Jiricek and only see that he’s big and right handed. He’s a stud.
Minnesota Wild General Discussion - 2023-24
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Dr Jan Itor
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I’d like to see how Faber, Chisholm and Rossi do next year before doing anything rash.
If you don't kn8w about jiricek as a player you can just not comment you know lol. He is way more than just "tall" and a rd
Kind of curious what the cost would be of a bunch of the Preds that mostly had more success with Hynes then they've had since. Glass in particular I assume would be cheap and provide a right-handed center to try with Zucc since he and Rossi showed nothing together. Tomasino seems on the outs too, while Parsinnen/Afanasyev may or may not be in their plans. Jeannot looks to be a failure in TB and Trenin/Sherwood are slated to be UFAs. Forward group seems small for both our coach and GM right now.
Thing with Nashville is I don't know what they'd want from us with their prospect pool and abundance of cap space/draft picks. I'd move O'Rourke + Haight or Lambos + one of the extra 26 mid/late rounders for Glass + 1 of Tomasino/Parsinnen/Afanasyev. Or O'Rourke for Jeannot with TB. Yeah, I don't really see the point of keeping O'Rourke around, 170+ AHL games and never really in consideration for an NHL call-up, a Mermis/Scott Harrington career is probably his future. Lambos/Haight aren't guys I'm that big on but I haven't written them off either.
Trenin's about the only UFA I'd want to sign with our cap situation, and even him you're overpaying him for a depth role like we're already doing with Foligno. Maybe Carrick as a 4C or Greer around the minimum for depth. Shaw should be on a 2-way and playing in Iowa with Lettieri, no reason to hand Ohgren a spot either, just keep the cap space available for a 23-man roster.
Thing with Nashville is I don't know what they'd want from us with their prospect pool and abundance of cap space/draft picks. I'd move O'Rourke + Haight or Lambos + one of the extra 26 mid/late rounders for Glass + 1 of Tomasino/Parsinnen/Afanasyev. Or O'Rourke for Jeannot with TB. Yeah, I don't really see the point of keeping O'Rourke around, 170+ AHL games and never really in consideration for an NHL call-up, a Mermis/Scott Harrington career is probably his future. Lambos/Haight aren't guys I'm that big on but I haven't written them off either.
Trenin's about the only UFA I'd want to sign with our cap situation, and even him you're overpaying him for a depth role like we're already doing with Foligno. Maybe Carrick as a 4C or Greer around the minimum for depth. Shaw should be on a 2-way and playing in Iowa with Lettieri, no reason to hand Ohgren a spot either, just keep the cap space available for a 23-man roster.
Is it really rash if you’re getting similar age/skilled players?
I’m curious if Rossi+ for Gauthier would have happened, if people would have been upset. I would not have been.
BagHead
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Sorry to bring in another topic in the middle of a conversation, but I'm curious about something. With Eriksson Ek not breaking into the top-3 for the Selke this year, what do you think he needs to improve on to actually get serious votes? Improve face-offs to 52%+? Start getting short handed goals? Join a team with more media exposure? What's holding him back?
Dr Jan Itor
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I think we're currently sitting "good" at the center position because of Rossi, Eriksson Ek and Yurov as the high upside prospect. I'm not fully ready to remove one of those pieces at the moment, unless it's an absolute 'can't refuse' type thing.
Gauthier is a center too, so a little bit of a different equation.
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Selke is pretty much a reputation award anyway. I have zero faith in the media voters' ability to assess defensive play, so for now the best he can do is collect some votes from the advanced stats folk.
Something like a stellar playoff run shutting down key players would probably put him in the contention, even if playoffs should in theory have no impact whatsoever.
Strange enough Ek probably needs a big ppg offensive season to get noticed.
Dr Jan Itor
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Staal did beat him in a lot of the normal defensive metrics, though that could be pretty well impacted just by Carolina > us.
1. Make the Playoffs
2, not have a terrible PK like they did this year
3. have a +30 +/-
4. not have terrible goalies (this would have fixed 1-3 this year)
5. 52% or better FOs
Staal seems like a reputation/lifetime (similar to Koivu a couple times) this year.
PK performance is what killed JEE’s Selke potential, at 5v5 he spent most of the year neck and neck with top guys, but his PK advanced stats were miserable like you would expect on a team that spent the first two months below the lowest historical PK%. The injury did not help matters, and missing the playoffs too.
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If you mean Cutter, then I would be upset. In fact, pissed off. He comes across as an entitled asshole. Kind of like Marner.
Better FO's, and be on a better team. Really good player, but he doesn't compare with Barkov, in almost all respects.
I like(with reservations) Rossi, but would be all over that trade.
Matt Boldy player of the game in exhibition against Slovakia, 2 goals, primary assist and looked great. Becoming a premier player.
I really, really like. Has gotten so much stronger, to go along with his puck and skating skills. He should have a long, excellent career ahead of him.
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This could be a really Wild tournament
BagHead
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I agree, Barkov deserves the win, he's an amazing player. I'm not sure Barkov won't go on a Bergeron-esque Selke streak. I was just wondering what JEE needs in order to get over the hump and into serious contention... defined as top-3, not necessarily #1.
I think the replies here were pretty good, and accurate. My guess is that a 75+ point season, the Wild making the WCF with him as the #1 center, or 54%+ faceoffs might do it. It might even take 2 of those 3 things.
You have to think boldy has some 40 goal and 80 to 90 point seasons in him.
Dr Jan Itor
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Possibly/probably. My question would be, would he need to play with someone like Kaprizov to do it, or could he do it as the best player on a line?
Dr Jan Itor
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I'd like to see him do it on his own line but likely still play w kap on the pp. He would need some help regardless but we all see the potential for mpre.
BagHead
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When I'm feeling a little down, I like going to his draft year on hockeydb.com or eliteprospects.com and sorting by points.
