Value of: Minnesota moving from pick #14 to a top 10 pick
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Prob more than its worth to pay... I cant really see any of the teams in the top 5 really wanting to move their pick unless the team is paying a lot to get there.
Too risky in a draft like this... where its seems like every team has a diff top 10.
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Considering there’s a huge drop off after pick #13, definitely more than it’s worth. If I had a pick in the 8-10 range, which would all but guarantee one of the six defensemen at the top of the draft, I certainly wouldn’t trade down to 14 for just couple 2nds.
Unknown. The draft pick value charts are based on trades from a different era. No team has moved out of the Top 10 in a trade down since 2007.
Ledge And Dairy
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Depends on who is still available at pick 8-10. If Catton or Lindstrom are still on the board then it will probably cost you an arm and a leg to move up (both should be gone by at latest pick 9) as pretty much all the teams picking ahead of you would be similarly interested in adding them. If you are desperate for any center with top 6 potential then I could see a team trading down with you if Helenius is the only one still available. If you are just after one of the defensemen then it probably isn't worth trading up at all
The tougher thing is that it's not quite like the NFL where those teams have so many positions to fill. It'd be easier to find a team willing to move down for multiple picks.
Typically with the NHL, the team trading down is doing so because they think they can still land their intended target. Teams generally don't move down for draft capital (arguably Sharks 2022 did, new GM inherited a mostly barren prospect cupboard).
So it's not quite as easy as finding a draft pick value chart and offering up enough "value." Teams will reference their own value charts, but usually it's predicated on whether they'd risk drafting a particular prospect or two.
Some post-lockout examples:
2005: Sharks offered something around #12 and #35 to Columbus for #6 but were turned down. They eventually traded #12, #49, and #207 to Atlanta for #8.
2007: St. Louis badly wanted Jakub Voracek but they knew he wouldn't slip to them at #9. They offered #9 and #24 to Edmonton for #6 but were turned down. There was a perceived top seven that year and Edmonton didn't want to move down.
LA mentioned that they had offers for #4 but didn't want to move down too far and miss out on Thomas Hickey. So they stayed put and reached for Hickey.
St. Louis pivoted and looked to trade down as their next target after Voracek was Lars Eller. They figured they could move down a few spots and still get Eller. Eventually they dealt #9 to San Jose for #13, #44, and 87. San Jose knew they had to leapfrog Florida at #10 for Logan Couture.
2008: Garth Snow went in with the mentality to trade down for multiple picks and apparently were targeting Josh Bailey. Moved from #5 to #7, then dealt #7 to Nashville for #9 and #40.
2019: Arizona traded #14 and #45 to Philadelphia for #11. Arizona apparently had Victor Soderstrom ranked in their top 5.
Typically with the NHL, the team trading down is doing so because they think they can still land their intended target. Teams generally don't move down for draft capital (arguably Sharks 2022 did, new GM inherited a mostly barren prospect cupboard).
So it's not quite as easy as finding a draft pick value chart and offering up enough "value." Teams will reference their own value charts, but usually it's predicated on whether they'd risk drafting a particular prospect or two.
Some post-lockout examples:
2005: Sharks offered something around #12 and #35 to Columbus for #6 but were turned down. They eventually traded #12, #49, and #207 to Atlanta for #8.
2007: St. Louis badly wanted Jakub Voracek but they knew he wouldn't slip to them at #9. They offered #9 and #24 to Edmonton for #6 but were turned down. There was a perceived top seven that year and Edmonton didn't want to move down.
LA mentioned that they had offers for #4 but didn't want to move down too far and miss out on Thomas Hickey. So they stayed put and reached for Hickey.
St. Louis pivoted and looked to trade down as their next target after Voracek was Lars Eller. They figured they could move down a few spots and still get Eller. Eventually they dealt #9 to San Jose for #13, #44, and 87. San Jose knew they had to leapfrog Florida at #10 for Logan Couture.
2008: Garth Snow went in with the mentality to trade down for multiple picks and apparently were targeting Josh Bailey. Moved from #5 to #7, then dealt #7 to Nashville for #9 and #40.
2019: Arizona traded #14 and #45 to Philadelphia for #11. Arizona apparently had Victor Soderstrom ranked in their top 5.
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Djp
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Its gener
It's going to cost you something you scoff st giving up.
In the nhl draft there us usually a huge difference in potential between 7-9 and 12-14.
It's going to cost you something you scoff st giving up.
In the nhl draft there us usually a huge difference in potential between 7-9 and 12-14.
Djp
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To add
Generally teams in the teens can move around some if the prospect pool seems to be about the same. If there is a significant drop teams wont move.
Thst difference us bigger in yo 10 so a team 7-9 ,might move down 2 spots but not 6.
To add...
Generally teams in the teens can move around some if the prospect pool seems to be about the same. If there is a significant drop teams wont move.
Thst difference us bigger in yo 10 so a team 7-9 ,might move down 2 spots but not 6.
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Don’t mind Calgary doing it IF our scouts feel like the prospects available from 8-14 are identical in value. I doubt that though and think we keep our pick. We’re hoping for some lottery luck.
HawksDub89
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There’s a significant difference in pick 14 vs 11 this year imo.
I think it would take significantly more than a 2nd. Probably more than it’s worth tbh.
Wilds best bet is winning the lotto or going on a losing streak.
I think it would take significantly more than a 2nd. Probably more than it’s worth tbh.
Wilds best bet is winning the lotto or going on a losing streak.
Wouldn’t cost them a thing if they stopped winning meaningless games.
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According to the guys above, the MN 2nd rounder pick added to the #14 would get you to #11. So, the 2nd +. The calculators don't take into account the relative merits of each draft, obviously- it's not an exact science. In a draft like this that has drops off after the top 11, then again after 14 or so(depending on how you feel about Iginla, Jiricek, and Connelly), i would imagine that moving up to #10 would cost #14 + #46 + prospect. If a team has determined that Jiricek is going to be a player, or that they have no worries about drafting Connelly, then it might be a smart play for them. You could make an argument that both are top 10 talents.
Captain Mountain
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It entirely depends on who is available at the draft and what other teams would be willing to consider. Could be MIN 2nd+, could be significantly more than that.
The Wild wouldn’t have had to pay anything to move up to the top 10 if Guerin had just let this team continue in the direction they were headed under Evason.
Montreal will take Boldy off your hands for our 2024 first round pick. We will even let you pick again at #14. Sounds great?
Throw in your 2025 unprotected first and a blue chip prospect and maybe we don't hang up the phone.
Spirits
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Go ahead and hang up, they have plenty of their own talent to waste without bothering Minnesota.
Probably cost more than Montreal's first an added player like Newhook as well. Though, im sure Montreal is holding on to the pick. Don't see them trading it as building their core of players through the draft.
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Dr Johnny Fever
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Yes, but if Habs get a good outcome(lottery draft) they are sticking with the pick. Also, if they end up at 6th-8th overall pick could see they try to move up or like you say could trade it. It's uncertain what could happen in the near future.
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