Confirmed Trade: [MIN/VGK] Alex Tuch to Vegas for a Cond. 3rd and selecting Erik Haula

[BertCorbeau]

Someone post an official tweet, I couldn't find one .. But it was announced during the Awards.

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[Phion Keneuf]

Only Vegas deal I really don't like.

 

[Neil Hamburger]

Haula + Tuch for Dumba

 

[Wild11MN]

If you're looking for tweets, some combo of these:

 

[HanSolo]

This is such a dumb move. Basically Haula over Dumba/Scandella and then a third round pick for Tuch.

Tuch with an add should've been the incentive not to take one of Minny's defenders. Vegas shouldn't be giving up a draft selection for him.

Vegas made some good moves today. This definitely isn't one of them.

 

[Neil Hamburger]

This is such a dumb move. Basically Haula over Dumba/Scandella and then a third round pick for Tuch.

Tuch with an add should've been the incentive not to take one of Minny's defenders. Vegas shouldn't be giving up a draft selection for him.

Vegas made some good moves today. This definitely isn't one of them.

What is the condition on the pick?

I think it's pretty likely no pick will transfer.

 

[biturbo19]

Tuch doesn't seem like nearly enough to lay off Scandella/Dumba. Haula is a decent player, but he isn't on a steal of a deal anymore, and seemed like he was probably an odd man out anyway. Especially at $2.75M per, with their cap situation. In 3 years, he walks as a UFA when this team might have designs on becoming competitive anyway. Is he being flipped for something else substantial or something?

And you have to imagine there are teams out there who would've paid a significant price to poach whichever of Scandella/Dumba they could have grabbed. More than Tuch, who is what? A nice middle-6 power forward prospect really?


McPhee and Co. must be waaaaaaaay higher on Tuch than i am. Only way this makes sense.

 

[Bazeek]

What is the condition on the pick?

I think it's pretty likely no pick will transfer.

The Wild will get a 3rd. The condition is apparently just on which 3rd they get, with a semi-complex set of rules revolving around how many 3rds Vegas ends up accumulating in the next few days.

 

[Spurgeon]

What is the condition on the pick?

I think it's pretty likely no pick will transfer.

The pick is the Wild's. It's just a matter if it's going to be a 2017 or a 2018. Vegas gets to choose their 2nd highest 3rd round pick this year (if they acquire one) or it'll be their 2018 pick.

Vegas got fleeced here.

 

[TaLoN]

Looks like it was basically a done deal before the protection lists even came out... meaning it was basically done on the deadline day...



This basically confirms that Fletcher had good enough deals in place that he could have accepted had Vegas not been willing to deal on his terms. Fletcher got the ammo to give an ultimatum!

 

[TaLoN]

What is the condition on the pick?

I think it's pretty likely no pick will transfer.

It's a 3rd round pick... to the Wild. Conditions of the pick just decide if it's 2017 or 2018. The pick WILL transfer.

 

[Minnesota]

What is the condition on the pick?

I think it's pretty likely no pick will transfer.

Don't know what effects the pick, but it's guaranteed to be either be a 2017 3rd rounder, or a 2018 3rd rounder. Condition only affects year of the pick.

 

[ThatGuy22]

Russo's got some quotes from Fletcher that it was basically a done deal before protection lists.

Odds are it was just a matter of getting Haula to sign.

McPhee wouldnt have had nearly as an attractive list without the agreement im sure.

 

[Topkatz]

Bad Deal. Dumba would be a nice piece on their blueline. Will Tuch be a regular top 9 NHLer?

 

[ThatGuy22]

Bad Deal. Dumba would be a nice piece on their blueline. Will Tuch be a regular top 9 NHLer?

Extremely likely he will.

 

[PAZ]

Russo's got some quotes from Fletcher that it was basically a done deal before protection lists.

Odds are it was just a matter of getting Haula to sign.

McPhee wouldnt have had nearly as an attractive list without the agreement im sure.

So Minnesota just trades two starting defence man, and then loses staal too? Minnesota had zero leverage. Of all the teams, Minnesota was in one of the worst spots and he let you guys off easy.

 

[TaLoN]

Bad Deal. Dumba would be a nice piece on their blueline. Will Tuch be a regular top 9 NHLer?

Had Vegas not been willing to deal, Fletcher would have found a way to move 2 D-men... he was getting lots of offers and the day before the deadline, several deals were said to be close... then deadline day and suddenly the chatter stopped on the Wild D, because clearly Fletcher had gotten Vegas to deal on his terms so he could KEEP his D instead of doing a preemptive trade.

 

[TaLoN]

So Minnesota just trades two starting defence man, and then loses staal too? Minnesota had zero leverage. Of all the teams, Minnesota was in one of the worst spots and he let you guys off easy.

The Wild simply weren't going to let those D go for nothing.

What is better for Vegas? Haula + Tuch? or Old-man Staal?

Haula + Tuch is FAR more attractive to Vegas...

 

[PAZ]

The Wild simply weren't going to let those D go for nothing.

What is better for Vegas? Haula + Tuch? or Old-man Staal?

Haula + Tuch is FAR more attractive to Vegas...

Who would've been on Your starting roster for defenders with scandella/Brodin gone?

Would start looking like the Avs defence, McPhee was just too dense to realize that. You're delusional if you actually think a fletcher would be ready to lose three core players (#1C and 2 #3-4 defensemen) in one offseason.

 

[ThatGuy22]

Who would've been on Your starting roster for defenders with scandella/Brodin gone?

Would start looking like the Avs defence, McPhee was just too dense to realize that. You're delusional if you actually think a fletcher would be ready to lose three core players (#1C and 2 #3-4 defensemen) in one offseason.

Oloffson and Reilly are both NHL ready. just stuck behind Suter, Brodin and Scandella.

It would hurt the D, but we've got nhl replacements and who knows what assets we'd have got back.

 

[TaLoN]

Who would've been on Your starting roster for defenders with scandella/Brodin gone?

Would start looking like the Avs defence, McPhee was just too dense to realize that. You're delusional if you actually think a fletcher would be ready to lose three core players (#1C and 2 #3-4 defensemen) in one offseason.

It would have been painful yes, but you don't put that much quality development into such valuable assets and then just let them be lost for nothing. Better for the team's future to try to turn them into something that can be worked with down the line than just simply losing it completely.

It would have hurt short-term, but long-term the Wild would have been better for it.

Obviously long-term this is even a better solution, and it was better for Vegas than the prospective alternative the Wild were about to give them.

 

[PAZ]

It would have been painful yes, but you don't put that much quality development into such valuable assets and then just let them be lost for nothing. Better for the team's future to try to turn them into something that can be worked with down the line than just simply losing it completely.

It would have hurt short-term, but long-term the Wild would have been better for it.

Obviously long-term this is even a better solution, and it was better for Vegas than the prospective alternative the Wild were about to give them.

Let's say Dumba got traded to the Leafs (one of the few teams with extra protection slots on defense), it would've been something like a Kapanen + 1st + 3rd. Suter and Parise are both 33 this season, by the time that 1st is ready they'd be ~35. Scandella would get something around a 1st + B prospect + pick, again would be 2+ years before they're ready to possibly join the NHL.

The Wild do have a window unless the league is willing to turn a blind eye to 15 mil in cap circumvention (in the future). Maybe one, but both would be pushing it. Either way, it's a gamble. The risk of losing three core assets and banking on everything else to perfectly align is higher than simply losing Scandella/Dumba.

Edit: Also, Staal's value is at least Haula + Tuch to the Wild, they received the same value as if they forced Minnesota to trade both their defensemen.

 

[Lapa]

Love this deal.

 

[iBELEAF]

Awful. Dumba/Scandella way better option

 

[TaLoN]

Let's say Dumba got traded to the Leafs (one of the few teams with extra protection slots on defense), it would've been something like a Kapanen + 1st + 3rd. Suter and Parise are both 33 this season, by the time that 1st is ready they'd be ~35. Scandella would get something around a 1st + B prospect + pick, again would be 2+ years before they're ready to possibly join the NHL.

The Wild do have a window unless the league is willing to turn a blind eye to 15 mil in cap circumvention (in the future). Maybe one, but both would be pushing it. Either way, it's a gamble. The risk of losing three core assets and banking on everything else to perfectly align is higher than simply losing Scandella/Dumba.

Edit: Also, Staal's value is at least Haula + Tuch to the Wild, they received the same value as if they forced Minnesota to trade both their defensemen.

Actually on Friday the word was both Brodin and Scandella were close to being traded. Dumba didn't appear to be one the Wild were going to let go in either manner, and that's because our two young D ready to step in are both LHD.

Olofsson and Reilly would step in as #4 and #6 D-men, Dumba would stay as the #3, and we still have Folin as well for RHD.

Would have been a defense of...

Suter-Spurgeon
Oloffson-Dumba
Reilly-Folin
Prosser

That would be doable... and the Wild would then also have cap space to maybe add in free agency.... PLUS whatever assets Brodin and Scandella would have returned. It wouldn't have been a horrible situation.

Also, yes - Staal's value to the Wild is higher... but we're talking about Staal's value to Vegas here. Haula + Tuch are far more valuable to THEM. The Wild could have shopped for another center with the freed up cap space had Vegas taken Staal.

A young proven 3rd line center who still has offensive upside and can play up the lineup and is great at faceoffs, and a top 6 RW blue-chip prospect!