Player Discussion Methot vs Phaneuf

[Sun God Nika]

Not a who should be on Karlssons side poll.

Who do you think is the second bester dman on the team?

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[Real Smart Sens Fan]

I love Methot, but Phaneuf is the most impactful #2 we've had since the Chara and Redden days.

 

[mcnorth]

Pretty excited we could even have a debate like this now.

 

[Micklebot]

Early this year it was methot, more recently it's been Phaneuf.

 

[Aurilius]

I know this goes against popular belief, but i think we leave Ceci exposed and risk him, less likely to be taken than either Methot, (guaranteed gone) or Phanuef (has to wave). I get the whole hometown boy bias, but losing either of these guys is really bad for the team. Ceci is a far cry from a sure thing to get grabbed (hometown bias doesn't exist outside ottawa). And we have multiple other young defencemen with solid upside in the pipe. Chabot, Jaros, Englund even. I like Ceci, but he doesn't scream indispensible to me, as so many people seem to believe he is.

 

[L'Aveuglette]

Phaneuf is slow as molasses, and often gets walked. He's solid when he does his own thing for sure, but Methot at this point is the better dman. I feel like there's some recency bias going on here.

 

[Boud]

Methot no contest for me.

 

[BigCanadian]

Methot no contest for me.

I completely agree with this. No contest for me as well. That is based on what I see on the ice and not even considering the $, which only makes it more obvious.

 

[Real Smart Sens Fan]

Phaneuf is slow as molasses, and often gets walked. He's solid when he does his own thing for sure, but Methot at this point is the better dman. I feel like there's some recency bias going on here.

How many times has Methot stepped up to tie a game at a crucial point with a skill move?

I'm not saying boo you for choosing Methot, but I think recency bias is a bit of a weak explanation, considering Phaneuf provides things that Methot never has.

 

[Sensinitis]

Considering they're the same age and Phaneuf doesn't have back problems, I take Pha9.

He's also better offensively, which is a nice bonus. Methot is damn awesome though.

Hopefully we keep both!

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

Hopefully we keep both and lose Ryan.

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

Methot defensively. Phaneuf offensively.

Methot has speed, agility and positioning over Phaneuf.

Phaneuf has the shot, offensive IQ, strength and ruggedness over Methot.

 

[Stylizer1]

Methot defensively. Phaneuf offensively.

Methot has speed, agility and positioning over Phaneuf.

Phaneuf has the shot, offensive IQ, strength and ruggedness over Methot.

No one else can score on our D.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

Assuming both are 100% healthy, I'd take Methot.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Methot no contest for me.

same

 

[danielpalfredsson]

I know this goes against popular belief, but i think we leave Ceci exposed and risk him, less likely to be taken than either Methot, (guaranteed gone) or Phanuef (has to wave). I get the whole hometown boy bias, but losing either of these guys is really bad for the team. Ceci is a far cry from a sure thing to get grabbed (hometown bias doesn't exist outside ottawa). And we have multiple other young defencemen with solid upside in the pipe. Chabot, Jaros, Englund even. I like Ceci, but he doesn't scream indispensible to me, as so many people seem to believe he is.

The team will trade Ceci before they leave him exposed. Ceci's value in a trade even with losing a different player to Vegas will be a net positive compared to just losing Ceci for nothing to Vegas. There's no way Vegas doesn't take Ceci if he is exposed. He is a young right shot defenseman with 1st round pedigree who come expansion will have played almost 300 NHL games. Even if he has his warts or growing pains, they won't pass on him. The only way there is a chance that they pass on Ceci is if Ryan is exposed, and that still won't be a sure thing. As much as they'll need forwards, I just can't see them passing on Ceci even with Ryan exposed.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

Yeah, Ceci has a ton of value. We are seeing around the league that teams still have a hard time with young defensemen. Good rookie year, decent second year...then a dip in year 3/4, then a rebound...happens to most of them. Dougie Hamilton, Ekblad, even Chris Pronger back in the day. The key is staying patient and continue developing and working with the kid. Every stage - going to a higher pairing or harder opponents, requires a learning curve (and there will be setbacks). You just have to work through it.

 

[Stylizer1]

I don't see what makes Ceci this hot commodity. On our team he is barely a top 4. At this point he only has value in a package deal.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

It's pretty even: Phaneuf is meaner and tougher while Methot is a much, much better skater.

 

[danielpalfredsson]

I don't see what makes Ceci this hot commodity. On our team he is barely a top 4. At this point he only has value in a package deal.

RD is a very in demand position. Not suggesting we'd get Hall for Ceci, but look at what EDM had to give up to get their young top 4 RD.

All but the most elite defenders take a while to develop. Ceci is only 22 and is playing tough minutes on Ottawa. Is he excelling? Not really. But he hasn't been straight up awful either. He has kept his head above water which is impressive enough. He's also produced pretty well last season despite the fact that Cameron had Karl playing almost the entire PP. Anyone trading for him is likely trading not just for what he is today, but for what they think he can be a few years down the line.

 

[DrEasy]

What are we gonna do next? A poll to choose between Karlsson and Wideman?

It's Methot AINEC.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

At worst, Methot looks like a very bad number 4 defender.

At worst, Phaneuf looks like a pylon. It really isn't close at this time unless Phaneuf plays like he has for the rest of the season.

 

[Stylizer1]

What about the fact that Methot always get injured every season?

Phaneuf is just starting to look comfortable on our team so I expect a little more improvement.

 

[Stylizer1]

At worst, Methot looks like a very bad number 4 defender.

At worst, Phaneuf looks like a pylon. It really isn't close at this time unless Phaneuf plays like he has for the rest of the season.

More is expected from Phaneuf. He is not a very bad #4. Maybe give Phaneuf a better partner and you get better results.

 

[Back in Black]

Good Poll, close call, I chose Methot!