Player Discussion Matt Dumba

[NHL1674]

I think we probably would have heard by now if it was season ending?

He didn't say much about Dumba, but I think we know which way this is going....

 

[HotDish]

 

[TheBPA]

Has there been any update on how long Dumba might be out for? All I've seen is that he's out for "a while". Does that mean 1 months, 2 months, the entire season?

 

[HotDish]

Has there been any update on how long Dumba might be out for? All I've seen is that he's out for "a while". Does that mean 1 months, 2 months, the entire season?

Russo joked that Dean doesn't talk with the medical staff since he never has an answer to that question.

 

[TheBPA]

Russo joked that Dean doesn't talk with the medical staff since he never has an answer to that question.

Thanks. Seems sort of absurd...what's the big secret?

 

[Spurgeon]

Thanks. Seems sort of absurd...what's the big secret?

Assume you have Dumba on your fantasy team, so thought I’d give ya a recent update:

As for other injury updates, Guerin said injured Matt Dumba could be skating next week.

 

[TaLoN]

Unbelievable that this franchise is forcing itself to move this guy. So mismanaged to end up being forced to trade him in the near future IMO.

 

[MuckOG]

Unbelievable that this franchise is forcing itself to move this guy. So mismanaged to end up being forced to trade him in the near future IMO.

This is true. But the bright side is that if he keeps playing like he is, his trade value should increase accordingly. Also comforting to know that the Wild have options already in place to fill that void at RD should Dumba get moved.

 

[TaLoN]

This is true. But the bright side is that if he keeps playing like he is, his trade value should increase accordingly. Also comforting to know that the Wild have options already in place to fill that void at RD should Dumba get moved.

Yeah, but that still doesn't excuse the loss of such a player.

Those guys still would've been there to replace the captain instead, who has always made more sense to be the one to move on from... and looks more apparent every day.

Just depressing to see this play out this way.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Really likable guy and good player, but people are acting like he's headed towards 81 points, and not 41. If we get a good haul for him and Menell/Addison come in and put up 75% of what he does, the sting won't last too long.

That said, we haven't forced ourselves into anything yet. Boldy and Rossi are going to be low money players for for the next 3-5 years and center upgrade options aren't too plentiful right now. Still can go any number of different directions.

 

[TaLoN]

That said, we haven't forced ourselves into anything yet.

The writing is on the wall though with the clauses on the 3 other top 4 D contracts though.

Long term it's just not feasible to keep him. I'm in favor of holding onto him for the best possible deal and all, but the time will come when we can't afford all 4 of the top 4 and he will be the odd one out despite "possibly" being the best of the bunch.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

The writing is on the wall though with the clauses on the 3 other top 4 D contracts though.

Long term it's just not feasible to keep him. I'm in favor of holding onto him for the best possible deal and all, but the time will come when we can't afford all 4 of the top 4 and he will be the odd one out despite "possibly" being the best of the bunch.

Maybe. I'm not fully convinced of this yet.

Bit of a sliding doors moment with his injury and the Spurgeon extension, but it is what it is.

 

[TaLoN]

Maybe. I'm not fully convinced of this yet.

Bit of a sliding doors moment with his injury and the Spurgeon extension, but it is what it is.

I hope that you're right and we can possibly afford to keep him long term. I'm just not as confident in that as a "possible" option.

 

[2Pair]

Really likable guy and good player, but people are acting like he's headed towards 81 points, and not 41. If we get a good haul for him and Menell/Addison come in and put up 75% of what he does, the sting won't last too long.

That said, we haven't forced ourselves into anything yet. Boldy and Rossi are going to be low money players for for the next 3-5 years and center upgrade options aren't too plentiful right now. Still can go any number of different directions.

I would guess that "the sting" has 7 years left on it's deal. If current trends hold, it's going to hurt quite a bit

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

I would guess that "the sting" has 7 years left on it's deal. If current trends hold, it's going to hurt quite a bit

I’ll bet against the ‘if’.

 

[2Pair]

I’ll bet against the ‘if’.

You think Spurgeon is going to improve from 31 to 38? I will be more than happy to take you up on any sort of bet you would like to make. But, you have to actually pay up.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

You think Spurgeon is going to improve from 31 to 38? I will be more than happy to take you up on any sort of bet you would like to make. But, you have to actually pay up.

That’s not really what I said.

 

[2Pair]

That’s not really what I said.

Considering that Spurgeon has never been a $7.5M defenseman, for your "bet" to make any sense it would require Spurgeon to become a better player than he has ever been.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Considering that Spurgeon has never been a $7.5M defenseman, for your "bet" to make any sense it would require Spurgeon to become a better player than he has ever been.

Just need him to get back to what he has been.

 

[2Pair]

Just need him to get back to what he has been.

Then he's still not worth that contract.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Then he's still not worth that contract.

Didn’t claim he was.

 

[AKL]

I just look at Parise declining around 33-34, falling off a cliff at 35. Suter taking a clear step back at 35/36. We'll still have Spurgeon for 3 more years if he starts to do the same at the same age.

I have no idea why GM's still sign guys to long term deals taking them to their late 30s. When does it ever work out for the team?

Spurgeon should have gotten 5 years max.

 

[2Pair]

Didn’t claim he was.

So, what point are you trying to make here?

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

So, what point are you trying to make here?

That there is no doubt that Dumba + Menell/Addison + whatever we could've gotten for Spurgeon is probably better than the other way around.

But, if Spurgeon is the Spurgeon of the last 5 years (and not the first 16 games of this year) + Menell/Addison give us ~75% of what Dumba has for 1/6 of the cost + whatever we get in a trade for Dumba is legit helpful, then the sting of losing him is lessened, possibly substantially. This is what I said at first, which prompted you to remind me what Spurgeon's salary is.

 

[2Pair]

That there is no doubt that Dumba + Menell/Addison + whatever we could've gotten for Spurgeon is probably better than the other way around.

But, if Spurgeon is the Spurgeon of the last 5 years (and not the first 16 games of this year) + Menell/Addison give us ~75% of what Dumba has for 1/6 of the cost + whatever we get in a trade for Dumba is legit helpful, then the sting of losing him is lessened, possibly substantially. This is what I said at first, which prompted you to remind me what Spurgeon's salary is.

And my counter to that, is simply that if we already know that it's a bad deal now, we sure as hell aren't going to feel better about it when Spurgeon is still making that money at 37 f'ing years old.