Mario Scalzo (and Danny Syvret)

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  1. Vikke

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    After the season those 2've had, how high would you predict them to go in the 2005 draft (let's pretend things are normal and the draft will be held in a month ;))?

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    being a 1984... Sclazo is a free agent after the memorial cup.
     
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    Didn't think of that. Well, let's also pretend he must be drafted to play in the NHL. :D
     
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    I'd say Syvret wouldn't be take any sooner than the 4th round and Scalzo if he could be drafted probly the rounds 7-9.
     
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    agree with both. syvret is someone that someone will probably take a chance on in that area. scalzo...is just another undersized o-only q defenseman.
     
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    As long as Syvret continues his strong play through the Mem Cup, he's probably a good bet to get taken a bit higher than maybe you'd think in the 3rd or 4th round, because really, I don't think there are all that many draft prospects out there in this year's Mem Cup. Not even a great many overage types to look to scoop up in later rounds. So Syvret will have a lot of eyes on him, more than usual. And any actual young guys like Joslin will really get more attention than usual.

    Scalzo... I'm not very familiar with, but I sort of thought he wasn't really considered an NHL prospect. Ditto Coulombe, who if I'm not mistaken is more in Syvret's boat, but still probably won't be taken, for similar reasons. On the other hand, if it really looks like the pro game will open up in the future, who knows what the GMs might be thinking of in the 9th round or whatever. Chris Campoli got picked last year, and that isn't looking like a mistake!
     
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    Well Bergeron signed a 4 year contract i think. If i was a GM, i would sign him right away and sees how s doing in the AHL.
     
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    Mario Scalzo, Jr-

    2002-03 Victoriaville Tigres QMJHL 72 10 34 44 134 4 0 3 3 6
    2003-04 Victoriaville Tigres QMJHL 68 16 52 68 113 -- -- -- -- --
    2004-05 Victoriaville Tigres QMJHL 39 11 19 30 73
    2004-05 Rimouski Oceanic QMJHL 23 13 31

    Marc-Andre Bergeron-

    1997-98 Baie-Comeau Drakkar QMJHL 40 6 14 20 48 -- -- -- -- --
    1998-99 Baie-Comeau Drakkar QMJHL 46 8 14 22 57 -- -- -- -- --
    1998-99 Shawinigan Cataractes QMJHL 24 6 7 13 66 5 2 2 4 24
    1999-00 Shawinigan Cataractes QMJHL 70 24 50 74 173 13 4 7 11 45
    2000-01 Shawinigan Cataractes QMJHL 69 42 59 101 185 10 4 11 15 24

    It's not as if Scalzo has ever dominated in the way MA Bergeron did. I think that if Scalzo plays the whole season in Victoriaville, and isn't thrust into the Rimouski-Crosby spotlight, no one is even wondering where he'll go.
     
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    Scalzo finish 1st defenseman in the league at 19 and 20 years old in points.

    He had a hard time with his coach in Victoriaville and a porr team that expalin his so-so numbers.

    And you can't compare the numbers of Bergeron and Scalzo because there is WAY less goals scored in the Q now than 4-5 years ago...
     
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    You can break down the percentages, but Scalzo has never dominated the way Bergeron did. Scalzo had a fine year...but Crosby\Pouliot\the rest of Rimouski made it possible.
     
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    Scalzo would probably not even be drafted... Syvret, 4th-7th.
     
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    Sclazo may not be Bergeron but he would certainly have a try-out somewhere in the AHL .

    He may even play in the ECHL next year but he has a good potential.
     
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    You can't even compare Bergeron to Scalzo. Scalzo is strictly offense and that's it. And look at the group that he's surrounded with. Bergeron never played with that kind of talent. Bergeron is a much better all around dman who plays big which has helped him get by. Scalzo will be a career minor leaguer.
     
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    I don't know why people are pounding over the Bergeron/Scalzo comparison. For every Bergeron, there are so many guys like Matt Kinch, who was a better junior player than Bergeron, but with similar limitations, did not go far.
     
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    I would not mind Montreal signing Scalzo to a AHL or ECHL contract.
     
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    my point exactly.
     
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    Did I mention that..
    I could see the Flames taking Syveret higher than the 4th round. Sutter has shown a tendancy to draft players from winning teams - and he wasn't scared to take unranked teammate Brandon Prust in the 3rd ORund.
     
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    Nor would I mind the Oilers signing him to a 2 year deal with an option on a 3rd. At the end of the 2nd season the team should know whether he's got the tools neccesary to advance beyond the AHL or if he'd be a career AHLer or ECHLer.
     
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    Scalzo is no-risk, high-reward in my opinion. Since he has to be signed as a free agent, and not drafted, I think a number of teams will look to sign him.

    As for Syvret, I think he will surprise a few people when he is drafted. I think the 'new NHL' will affect his status to some degree. Teams with caps will probably look more towards more proven junior products because they will be able to put these players immediately into their lineups to replace an older, way more expensive option. For example, I think a guy like Syvret will now have more value at the draft table than say a John Dougherty or Alex Goligoski (just to use two examples). Project defensemen could turn into something special, or they might not, but I think in a league with a salary cap players who look like finished products will be viewed even more importantly.

    Just my opinion.
     
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    I have seen live the 2 players for 3 years each and there's alot of comparaison th
    at i can make. Scalzo is maybe less physical but both them were offencive threat. MA bergeron put those number with GREATS players in front of him. Cataractes had an offencive line up at that time.. He played with guys like Pascal Dupuis..
    Radim Vrbata and many other that had good numbers in the Q. Scalzo played with one of the worst team of the Q before he was traded, not the case of Marc-André Bergeron.
    So who was the best of the 2 for me . MA Bergeron.
    But Scalzo have what it takes offencivly to make it to another level.
     
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    # Player Name GP G A Pts PIM GP G A Pts PIM
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------
    61 Dominic Forget................................ 71 47 94 141 78 10 4 5 9 8
    19 Radim Vrbata.................................. 55 56 64 120 67 10 4 7 11 4
    50 Jason Pominville.............................. 71 46 67 113 24 10 6 6 12 0
    21 Marc-Andre Bergeron........................... 69 42 59 101 185 10 4 11 15 24
    9 Jonathan Bellemarre........................... 71 34 61 95 91 8 3 11 14 18
    71 Jean-Francois Dufort.......................... 46 21 32 53 194 10 3 3 6 18
    36 Jean-Francois David........................... 65 14 38 52 160 10 2 4 6 14

    I wouldnt exactly call that supporting cast chopped liver.
     
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    I never said the players Bergeron played with were chopped liver. But Bergeron also played in a time when the Q was much more offensive than it is now. And you can't even compare that talent to what Rimouski has. Point-wise they are similar, but on talent, no comparison.
     
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    I think that's an easy statement to make, since Bergeron has reached the NHL (probably to stay) and one is in the 'Q'. But, I don't think the comparison is THAT off the wall, to be honest.

    It's like comparing Scalzo to Dan Boyle. I mean, today it looks like a ridiculous comparison since Boyle is an all-star, a Stanley Cup champion and a regular for Canada. But when you consider that Boyle went undrafted, and Scalzo went undrafted, how crazy is it?

    Teams that are close-minded won't even consider Scalzo, but those teams don't usually win anything. Taking a flyer on a great junior defenseman makes a lot of sense to me...again, the risk is nothing and the reward could be plentiful.
     
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    it's simply because guys like bergeron and boyle are the exception rather than the rule. otherwise, everyone would be flocking to take undersized scorers in the hopes they had their paws on the next marty st. louis.
     
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    That point makes sense. The Q was more offensive back then :)
     
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