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He'll never go down as any kind of Red Wings legend, but he's been a positive addition during his time here. Curious if we give him another 1 year deal or if that's it.
That's pretty much what I think will happen as well. I'm indifferent to it, but he's been fine and would be the lone veteran D presence in the locker room, which is probably important for a young team.He'll be back if he's willing to be a healthy scratch if the team finds another UFA LHD and Edvinsson makes the team.
I'm guessing 1 yr $2M with full NMC because he won't risk getting sent down to GR.
I'd keep both Staal and Gagner for one more year, only 2 veterans,I think Staal's got a spot next year. I doubt they're going to want an all rookie left side. I bet Edvinsson and Johansson are gonna duel in camp for a spot, and Staal and a free agent acquisition like Kulak will be the other two LD.
I would bring back Staal and Namestikov. Not Gagner.I'd keep both Staal and Gagner for one more year, only 2 veterans,
Glendening?I would bring back Staal and Namestikov. Not Gagner.
They say your goalie is your best PK, but I wonder if our record at faceoff was historically bad and made our GA and PK brutal. I believe there was one game when we were under 30%.Glendening?
Give me all 3 of Staal, Gagner, and Namestnikov please. Good veteran depth. Staal and Gagner would be good candidates to fill reserve roles that don't even see the ice if everyone is healthy. Our #7 D and #13 F. Namestnikov could be a good wing pair with Sundqvist on a checking/defensive line.
Jettison Erne into the sun to make room for Namestnikov.
Bert - Larkin - Ray
Fabbri - Suter - Vrana
Ras - Veleno - Zadina
Names - Stephens - Sundqvist
Gagner
Berggren first call-up
Lot of interchangeability in that middle-6, depending on what you think of chemistry between certain players. And that 4th-line wouldn't necessarily always have the least amount of TOI either, depending on how the middle-6 is built and how any given game goes.
Give me all 3 of Staal, Gagner, and Namestnikov please. Good veteran depth. Staal and Gagner would be good candidates to fill reserve roles that don't even see the ice if everyone is healthy. Our #7 D and #13 F. Namestnikov could be a good wing pair with Sundqvist on a checking/defensive line.
Jettison Erne into the sun to make room for Namestnikov.
Bert - Larkin - Ray
Fabbri - Suter - Vrana
Ras - Veleno - Zadina
Names - Stephens - Sundqvist
Gagner
Berggren first call-up
Lot of interchangeability in that middle-6, depending on what you think of chemistry between certain players. And that 4th-line wouldn't necessarily always have the least amount of TOI either, depending on how the middle-6 is built and how any given game goes.
I only kept Stephens because who else is going to play 4th-line center? I don't think any of Suter, Veleno, or Ras are best deployed in that spot. Suter simply isn't... suited. And the two kids need to play higher up in the lineup. In a vacuum though, sure, Stephens could go, he's pretty forgettable.I'd let Stephens walk, and Smith has a one way contract for next season so he's more than likely the backup forward.
This team needs a 2C so Suter can get dropped down to the third line. Fabbri may or may not be ready at the beginning of the season.
Gags and EmptyNetmestnikov don't really move the needle, but Stevie needs to make sure he doesn't move the needle backwards with someone like Rowney again.
Erne will probably play well because it's a contract year. I'd sell him at the TDL if he plays like he did last season.
I would expect most people to be disappointed, yeah. I don't really blame ya'll, but I've realized I have lower expectations for next season than most fans. I'm expecting a lot of people to probably be calling for Stevie's head next year. Most likely, he'll make some moves that render my lineup pretty inaccurate; mine certainly isn't a prediction, just spit-balling regarding current and recent players. That said, I don't see much of a pathway for this roster to transform into a playoff contender next season.I get where you're coming from, and I have nothing against players like Gagner individually.
But if we start next season with a carbon copy of this year's forward group that would be tremendously disappointing.
I would expect most people to be disappointed, yeah. I don't really blame ya'll, but I've realized I have lower expectations for next season than most fans. I'm expecting a lot of people to probably be calling for Stevie's head next year. Most likely, he'll make some moves that render my lineup pretty inaccurate; mine certainly isn't a prediction, just spit-balling regarding current and recent players. That said, I don't see much of a pathway for this roster to transform into a playoff contender next season.
Jesus, that's the same forward group from this season.Give me all 3 of Staal, Gagner, and Namestnikov please. Good veteran depth. Staal and Gagner would be good candidates to fill reserve roles that don't even see the ice if everyone is healthy. Our #7 D and #13 F. Namestnikov could be a good wing pair with Sundqvist on a checking/defensive line.
Jettison Erne into the sun to make room for Namestnikov.
Bert - Larkin - Ray
Fabbri - Suter - Vrana
Ras - Veleno - Zadina
Names - Stephens - Sundqvist
Gagner
Berggren first call-up
Lot of interchangeability in that middle-6, depending on what you think of chemistry between certain players. And that 4th-line wouldn't necessarily always have the least amount of TOI either, depending on how the middle-6 is built and how any given game goes.
I do agree. The zoomed out view of this roster is that it is very unlikely to be the same. It's not likely in general, and it's not Yzerman's way. I guess I really just wanted to kind of compare/rank our current and recent players to see who the first to be cut (*cough* Erne *cough*) would be, imo. Again, it was less a prediction and more an evaluation of these guys.I hear you, and I get that there are no easy answers here.
I think it's one thing to take a more cautious approach to this summer. I think it's another thing to essentially trot out the exact same group of forwards as we did this season.
Rebuilds are slow, but you've gotta set standards too. I think it would look really complacent to see how poorly this season has gone since January-ish and essentially run it back with the same guys. I think that sends a tough message to guys like Larkin and Bertuzzi, who are on the verge of UFA, and to guys like Seider and Raymond, who deserve to start being insulated with better talent imo.
Hey man, I subtracted 133 man-games from the likes of Erne, Rowney, Hirose, Barber, Criscuolo, Pearson, and the other G Smith at least, quit your bellyachingJesus, that's the same forward group from this season.
Stephens is the easiest player to upgrade on, if Stevie doesn't at least do that much he's throwing away another season. Ideally the upgrade is at the 2C position and everyone gets slotted down, that would mean Joey as 4C, which is fine. Laf is playing 4C for the Rangers, younger players can start on lower lines, especially since Joey looks like he's probably gonna wind up being 3C anyways.I only kept Stephens because who else is going to play 4th-line center? I don't think any of Suter, Veleno, or Ras are best deployed in that spot. Suter simply isn't... suited. And the two kids need to play higher up in the lineup. In a vacuum though, sure, Stephens could go, he's pretty forgettable.
I kinda forgot about Smith, but unless Stevie rosters 17 defensemen again, there's no reason Detroit shouldn't have 14 forwards rostered, so there's an extra spot for Smith. Dude hasn't shown he should be playing every day anyway.
Suter and Veleno are fine to rotate through the middle-6 center spots to me. Detroit isn't going anywhere next season, so let Veleno continue to develop in the middle.
Rowney is surely history. The point of Namestnikov and Gagner is not to move any needles, but to check that box of "veteran forwards who have solid compete and can provide a good presence." You know, like 80% of the board hates lol. But if I'm being honest, I don't see Namestnikov coming back. That idea of guys coming back, like it was theorized when we traded him, just doesn't actually happen outside of some rare cases.
Erne will most likely be back, yeah. I'd rather he not be. I'm not banking on him rebounding. I think he just had a career year least season, mostly sucks, and next season will be much closer to this one than the last one.
He is a fellow dutchmen like Yzerman. They tend to be a very tight bunchHe'll be back if he's willing to be a healthy scratch if the team finds another UFA LHD and Edvinsson makes the team.
I'm guessing 1 yr $2M with full NMC because he won't risk getting sent down to GR.
Namestikov/Sundqvist Veleno ZadinaGive me all 3 of Staal, Gagner, and Namestnikov please. Good veteran depth. Staal and Gagner would be good candidates to fill reserve roles that don't even see the ice if everyone is healthy. Our #7 D and #13 F. Namestnikov could be a good wing pair with Sundqvist on a checking/defensive line.
Jettison Erne into the sun to make room for Namestnikov.
Bert - Larkin - Ray
Fabbri - Suter - Vrana
Ras - Veleno - Zadina
Names - Stephens - Sundqvist
Gagner
Berggren first call-up
Lot of interchangeability in that middle-6, depending on what you think of chemistry between certain players. And that 4th-line wouldn't necessarily always have the least amount of TOI either, depending on how the middle-6 is built and how any given game goes.
He is a fellow dutchmen like Yzerman. They tend to be a very tight bunch
Given his usage this year, I don't see Veleno being deployed as the 4C next season. I think they'd sooner play him up, like they have lately as the 2C, in another rebuilding year. If we were competitive next year, sure, play him when he's actually good for the role. But we won't be.Stephens is the easiest player to upgrade on, if Stevie doesn't at least do that much he's throwing away another season. Ideally the upgrade is at the 2C position and everyone gets slotted down, that would mean Joey as 4C, which is fine. Laf is playing 4C for the Rangers, younger players can start on lower lines, especially since Joey looks like he's probably gonna wind up being 3C anyways.