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Adjusted PO PTS Leaders
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Dennis Bonvie
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Next time, please use a thread title which actually might convey what it is that you'd like to talk about. Thanks.
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I've seen a number of these all time playoff lists now. Some of them have even had adjusted totals such as yours. WHY DOES EVERY LIST OMIT MARK "THE MOOSE" MESSIER'S 11G 23A 34pts in 19 playoff games (1988)? Dig deeper guys.
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Relax my friend. There's no omission there, it simply does not make the cut. 34 points in 1988 roughly adjust to 28-29 points, so not enough to make pnep's list.
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Because pnep's list is only showing totals that adjust to 30 or more points in a season. Messier's 34 points in 1988 probably adjusts to about 27 in that chart (basing that calculation on what Gretzky's total from that year adjusts to).
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Total Adjusted PO PTS Leaders
Player | POS | Adj. PO GMS | Adj. PO GLS | Adj. PO AST | Adj. PO PTS | Adj PO PTS per 24 Adj PO Games
Wayne "The Great One" Gretzky | C | 213 | 106 | 221 | 327 | 36.85
Gordie "Mr. Hockey" Howe | RW | 307 | 129 | 187 | 316 | 24.70
Jean "Le Gros Bill" Beliveau | C | 295 | 141 | 173 | 314 | 25.55
Mark "Mess" Messier | C | 241 | 95 | 163 | 258 | 25.69
Bernie "Boom-Boom" Geoffrion | RW | 261 | 115 | 121 | 236 | 21.70
Stan "Stosh" Mikita | C | 252 | 86 | 137 | 223 | 21.24
Maurice "The Rocket" Richard | RW | 264 | 139 | 84 | 223 | 20.27
Henri "Pocket Rocket" Richard | C | 306 | 79 | 135 | 214 | 16.78
Dickie "Digging Dicker" Moore | LW | 258 | 84 | 126 | 210 | 19.53
Bobby "The Golden Jet" Hull | LW | 200 | 100 | 107 | 207 | 24.84
Alex "Fats" Delvecchio | C | 239 | 68 | 138 | 206 | 20.69
Joe "Burnaby Joe" Sakic | C | 172 | 89 | 113 | 202 | 28.19
Ted "Scarface" Lindsay | LW | 265 | 91 | 106 | 197 | 17.84
Jari "The Flying Finn" Kurri | RW | 205 | 89 | 107 | 196 | 22.95
Nicklas "Lidas" Lidstrom | D | 258 | 58 | 138 | 196 | 18.23
Peter "Peter the Great" Forsberg | C | 151 | 70 | 119 | 189 | 30.04
Brett "The Golden Brett" Hull | RW | 201 | 100 | 88 | 188 | 22.45
Steve "Stevie Wonder" Yzerman | C | 196 | 70 | 116 | 186 | 22.78
Leonard "Red" Kelly | D | 327 | 65 | 118 | 183 | 13.43
Sergei "FedEx" Fedorov | C | 183 | 54 | 129 | 183 | 24.00
Jaromir "Jags" Jagr | RW | 169 | 78 | 105 | 183 | 25.99
Frank "Big M" Mahovlich | LW | 239 | 77 | 105 | 182 | 18.28
Glenn "Mork" Anderson | RW | 230 | 78 | 102 | 180 | 18.78
Paul "Coff" Coffey | D | 199 | 53 | 122 | 175 | 21.11
Doug "Killer" Gilmour | C | 184 | 54 | 116 | 170 | 22.17
Phil "Espo" Esposito | C | 190 | 74 | 95 | 169 | 21.35
Ray "Bubba" Bourque | D | 217 | 37 | 130 | 167 | 18.47
Bryan "Trots" Trottier | C | 240 | 62 | 101 | 163 | 16.30
Jacques "Coco" Lemaire | C | 194 | 70 | 90 | 160 | 19.79
Yvan "The Roadrunner" Cournoyer | RW | 218 | 80 | 79 | 159 | 17.50
Mario "The Magnificent" Lemieux | C | 107 | 70 | 89 | 159 | 35.66
Mike "Mo" Modano | C | 174 | 61 | 94 | 155 | 21.38
Denis "Baby Bear" Potvin | D | 210 | 52 | 101 | 153 | 17.49
Claude "Pepe" Lemieux | RW | 234 | 76 | 76 | 152 | 15.59
Al "Chopper" Macinnis | D | 179 | 37 | 113 | 150 | 20.11
Denis "The Magician" Savard | C | 172 | 57 | 93 | 150 | 20.93
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Didn't mean to offend. I certainly appreciate the work you put into your calculations.
But seeing Messier's totals from 1988 omitted from EVERY graphic shown on HNIC when comparing Malkin with the greatest irks me.
Very interesting stuff and it looks like Lidstrom is going to be the number 1 Dman all time, if he hasn't passed Kelly already after th 10 season.
Makes me wonder if anyone will ever catch him and if he will crack into the top 10 of all time which is Hull at 207.
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Got to agree with this. Malkin's Conn Smythe was the best I saw since Sakic in 1996. When the final arrived in 2009 Wings coach Babcock made a choice to shadow Crosby like he was the last man on earth. This was successful, but Malkin was left to wander with a lot more freedom. Thankfully Malkin stepped up and got 8 points in the 7 games which is a big reason why the Pens didn't win in 2008 (Crosby did his part but Malkin did not in the final).
Plus he was amazing in that Carolina series. That backhand behind the back goal against Ward was eye popping. He was simply just dominant.
Crosby on the other hand was stronger in the first three rounds combined but Malkin was better in the final. Crosby put on arguably the best show I have ever seen in a playoff series vs. Washington. He outduelled Ovechkin and in all honesty this would be on a short, short list of best play ever in a series by a player.
The only Conn Smythe performance close to either one of these guys since 1996 would be Richards in 2004 and Zetterberg in 2008.
imo, that is not enough appreciated. zetterberg played smothering D, was great on PK and had 27p. actually had 29p, but lost 2a on BS disallowed goals (lidstrom and datsyuk both lost 1g, 1a). game 4 vs dallas, game 1 vs pittsburgh.
You're missing one key point regarding the '09 finals and why Babcock was forced to focus on only Crosby...Datsyuk was hurt and missed the first 4 games and when he came back he wasn't at 100%. If Datsyuk played the whole series (and was relatively healthy) he would have probably been matched up against Malkin. Malkin may not have won the Conn Smythe or Cup with Datsyuk on him all series.
Zetterberg (and Lidstrom) did their job against Crosby shutting him down for most of the series. Missing Datsyuk was huge.
And to this point:
Games 1-4 (without Datsyuk on the ice): Malkin racked up 7 points.
Games 5-7 (with Datsyuk on the ice): Malkin collected 1 assist.
"Huge" is an understatement. Despite not producing offensively that postseason (which relates to his lack of offensive chemistry with Hossa), Datsyuk still finished +5. His defensive game was extremely valuable.
In regards to the best individual postseasons since Sakic's in 96, assuming all players, Giguere in 03 and Pronger in 06 also rank right up there with Malkin and Zetterberg.
Crosby definitely took it to a different level vs Washington (13 points
), but I recall Malkin being the stronger player in both the Philly and Carolina series....as well as the finals.
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Crosby definitely took it to a different level vs Washington (13 points
I recall them being pretty much equals against Philly, Crosby better against Pittsburgh, Malkin better against Carolina and Detroit.
they had negative chemistry. they were more effective separately, and their production almost immediately declined when they were rejoined at the end of the season.
imo, crosby was a bit better vs philadelphia.Crosby definitely took it to a different level vs Washington (13 points
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Datsyuk joined Zetterberg's line when he returned from injury (which went against Crosby's line). Malkin's lack of scoring during the final three games had nothing to do with Datsyuk.
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Crosby was better against Philly. It's not entirely evident from stats, but go have a look through the old 5 up/5 down thread from the Penguins board during that series and you'll get a better sense of what happened.
Crosby was obviously better against Washington.
Malkin was obviously better against Carolina, though the ease of that series takes a little bit of the shine off it for me.
As for Detroit, personally I thought that neither was very good. But Malkin has the edge here. Though Crosby had to deal with Zetterberg and Lidstrom on every shift.
Crosby was obviously better against Washington.
Malkin was obviously better against Carolina, though the ease of that series takes a little bit of the shine off it for me.
As for Detroit, personally I thought that neither was very good. But Malkin has the edge here. Though Crosby had to deal with Zetterberg and Lidstrom on every shift.
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