Make a Rangers team: 1 player per roster

smoneil

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Okay, this is how much I REALLY didn't want to work on my dissertation tonight. I got the idea that it would be interesting to see what kind of a roster you could put together if you took one player from each Ranger's roster over the past 22 years (based on the logic that you need four lines, three defensive pairs, two goalies, and an extra forward and D).

These were my ground-rules:

-No repeats (no rosters with three Leetch's, two Grezky's etc).
-Players have to have played the position where you are placing them.
-Pick the player based on the YEAR that you picked them (ie: if you pick post-Vancouver Mess, that's the one you're getting, not 1994 Mess).

That's basically it. Here's what I came up with when I gave it a go (as I said--desperately avoiding work tonight). My first move was to go through the rosters once quickly and identify several MUST keep seasons (Graves' 52 goal year, Jagr's post-lockout year, Lundqvist's Vezina year, etc). That, combined with position requirements/realities meant that I had to forego several players who I'd thought for sure would have made it (Brass, Zucc, Staal, Beuk, Prospal, Nylander, Nedved, LaFontaine). The whole process sort of showed that we have, historically, been VERY weak on D (RD in particular) and very strong at Center.


Here's what I came up with. Feel free to critique, do your own, or just peruse it to avoid doing Sunday evening work yourself, haha:


First Line: Graves (93-94) Gretzky (97-98) Jagr (05-06)

Second Line: Nash (12-13) Messier (95-96) Gaborik (09-10)

Third Line: Fleury (00-01) Lindros (01-02) Kovalev (03-04)

Fourth Line: Straka (06-07) Stepan (12-13) Callahan (08-09)


First Pair: Leetch (96-97) Zubov (94-95)

Second Pair: McDonagh (13-14) Girardi (10-11)

Third Pair: Yandle (15-16) Ulf Samuelsson (98-99)

Starting Goalie: Lundqvist (11-12)
Backup Goalie: Richter (99-00)

Extra Forward/Defenseman:
Pavel Bure (02-03)
Michal Rozsival (07-08)


The top line is Graves the year he broke the goal scoring record (a tough choice over Zubov, but had to be done), Gretzky's second best year with the Rangers (going with that season let me bring in Leetch's second Norris run in 96-97), and Jagr's amazing year out of the lockout.

The second line is Nash's 42 goal season on the left wing, with Gaborik's 44 goal season on the right wing, with Messier in the middle, in a season where he put up 99 points and finished 2nd in Hart Trophy voting.

The third line has Theo Fleury on the left wing from his best season as a Ranger (74 points in 62 games), with Eric Lindros in the middle--also from his best season as a Ranger (73 points in 72 games)--with Alex Kovalev on the right, from what was definitely NOT his best year as a Ranger (45 points in 78 games), but after my "locks," the pickings for RW were a little slim.

The fourth line has Straka (70 points in 77 games) and a young Ryan Callahan (40 points in 81 games) on the wings, with Stepan's PPG lockout season in the middle (44 points in 48 games). The RW here was tough. Zherdev put up significantly better production, but I think Callahan from that season would contribute to more wins with his defensive play and attitude.

The D is stacked on the left, and a bit weak on the right.

The top pair is Brian Leetch from his second Norris Trophy season (78 points in 82 games) paired with Sergei Zubov in his lockout-shortened final season with the team (36 points in 38 games).

The second pair is Ryan McDonagh's best season thus far (43 points in 77 games with some Norris votes) paired with Dan Girardi's best offensive season (31 points in 80 games)--this was the season before Girardi came in 6th in Norris voting.

The third pair is a classic deke and dirty pair, with Keith Yandle from this past season (47 points in 82 games) paired up with Ulf Samuelsson from his last season with the Rangers (93 PIMs in 67 games).

In goal, I have Henrik from his Vezina winning season, and he's being backed up by Richter in a season that wasn't his best (but nobody else on that team was worth taking, and Richter needed to be here).

I have Pavel Bure as my spare forward in the year that his knees completely died (but he played amazingly well until that point--30 points in 39 games including 19 goals). My spare defenseman is Michal Rozsival from 07-08 (a respectable .5 ppg pace).


Position Player GP G A PTS PIM

RW Bure 39 19 11 30 16
RW Callahan 81 22 18 40 45
LW Fleury 62 30 44 74 122
RW Gaborik 76 42 44 86 37
D Girardi 80 4 27 31 37
LW Graves 84 52 27 79 127
C Gretzky 82 23 67 90 28
RW Jagr 82 54 69 123 72
RW Kovalev 66 13 29 42 54
D Leetch 82 20 58 78 40
C Lindros 72 37 36 73 138
D McDonagh 77 14 29 43 36
C Messier 74 47 52 99 122
LW Nash 79 42 27 69 36
D Rozsival 80 13 25 38 80
D Samuelsson 67 4 8 12 93
LW Straka 77 29 41 70 24
C Stepan 48 18 26 44 12
D Yandle 82 5 42 47 40
D Zubov 38 10 26 36 18


G Henrik Lundqvist .930 save %, 1.97gaa, 8 Shutouts
G Mike Richter .905 save %, 2.87 gaa, 0 Shutouts
 

emodwarf

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Why not Zucc's past season over Kovalev on third RW? Don't think Yandle's past season is irreplaceable.

Yeah, that's a tough call either way.

Based on smoneil's set up, picking Zuke from this year instead of Yandle means then picking a LD from 03-04. Leetch is slotted in from a different year, so then it'd probably be Tom Poti.

Poti: 10/14/24
Yandle: 5/42/47

Kovalev: 13/29/42
Zuke: 26/35/61

Zuke is a big upgrade over kovalev from that year, but yandle dominates Poti based on points.

For me, it'd come down to not wanting two tiny wingers on that third line. Though it would be funny pairing them with Lindros of all people.
 

ReggieDunlop68

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Graves [1994] - Messier [1996] - Jagr [2006]

Prucha [2006] - Gretzky [1997] - Gaborik [2012]

Shanahan [2007] - Nylander [2007] - Verbeek [2007]

Zucarello [2014] - Lindros [2002] - Callahan [2012]

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Leetch [1997] - McDonagh [2014]

Zubov [1994] - Roszival [2007]

Beukeboom [1996] - Girardi [2011]

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Lundqvist [2012]

Richter [1997]




***Note: overall play was the deciding factor. Certain players had stronger playoffs in different years than the selected years. Furthermore, the depth was decided based on the overall year because complete synergy among linemates/pairings would be difficult given the different eras for some of the players.***
 

smoneil

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Why not Zucc's past season over Kovalev on third RW? Don't think Yandle's past season is irreplaceable.

Yeah, that's a tough call either way.

Based on smoneil's set up, picking Zuke from this year instead of Yandle means then picking a LD from 03-04. Leetch is slotted in from a different year, so then it'd probably be Tom Poti.

Poti: 10/14/24
Yandle: 5/42/47

Kovalev: 13/29/42
Zuke: 26/35/61

Zuke is a big upgrade over kovalev from that year, but yandle dominates Poti based on points.

For me, it'd come down to not wanting two tiny wingers on that third line. Though it would be funny pairing them with Lindros of all people.

Yeah, and there was NO way I was letting Poti onto this roster, haha. I initially had Zucc, Brass, and Yandle as my three possibles from last season. As I got started, though, I saw that the defense was going to be rough, and it made a lot more sense to grab Yandle. Zucc, Nylander, and ESPECIALLY Beukeboom were tough for me to leave out. A lot of my favorite players didn't end up making the list, in fact, haha.


Graves [1994] - Messier [1996] - Jagr [2006]

Prucha [2006] - Gretzky [1997] - Gaborik [2012]

Shanahan [2007] - Nylander [2007] - Verbeek [2007]

Zucarello [2014] - Lindros [2002] - Callahan [2012]

________________________________________________

Leetch [1997] - McDonagh [2014]

Zubov [1994] - Roszival [2007]

Beukeboom [1996] - Girardi [2011]

________________________________________________

Lundqvist [2012]

Richter [1997]




***Note: overall play was the deciding factor. Certain players had stronger playoffs in different years than the selected years. Furthermore, the depth was decided based on the overall year because complete synergy among linemates/pairings would be difficult given the different eras for some of the players.***


You have several repeated years here (2 from 1994, 2 from 1996, 3 from 1997, etc). I'm also surprised that you opted for Prucha but left off Nash from 2014. Nash (as many here know) is one of my LEAST favorite Rangers and Prucha is one of my absolute favorites, but Nash was just too good in 2014.
 

ReggieDunlop68

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Yeah, and there was NO way I was letting Poti onto this roster, haha. I initially had Zucc, Brass, and Yandle as my three possibles from last season. As I got started, though, I saw that the defense was going to be rough, and it made a lot more sense to grab Yandle. Zucc, Nylander, and ESPECIALLY Beukeboom were tough for me to leave out. A lot of my favorite players didn't end up making the list, in fact, haha.





You have several repeated years here (2 from 1994, 2 from 1996, 3 from 1997, etc). I'm also surprised that you opted for Prucha but left off Nash from 2014. Nash (as many here know) is one of my LEAST favorite Rangers and Prucha is one of my absolute favorites, but Nash was just too good in 2014.

Kinda weird that players played well at the same time?

And Prucha was left wing in 2006 while Nash was a Right wing in 2014, correct?
 

smoneil

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Kinda weird that players played well at the same time?

And Prucha was left wing in 2006 while Nash was a Right wing in 2014, correct?

Of course players play well at the same time. That was sort of the point of picking one player from each roster--to see what choices people made (because there would almost never be a consensus roster).

As for Nash, I remember him playing both wings that year, but he may have been on the right more often.
 

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Graves (99)-Messier (95)-Verbeek (96)
Shanahan (07)-Gretzky (98)-Jagr (06)
Nash (15)-Stepan (13)-Gaborik (10)
Zuccarello (16)-Lindros (02)-Zherdev (09)

Leetch (01)-Zubov (94)
Poti (03)-Roszival (08)
McDonagh (14)-Girardi (11)

Lundqvist (12)
Richter (97)

Nedved (00)
Kasparaitis (04)

Despite the Jagr line in 06, Graves-Messier-Verbeek is the best line in this whole timeframe. Two 40 goal scorers, speed, physicality (all 3 were over 100 PIMs). Most entertaining line I can remember. Messier and Verbeek both missed time that season. Pro-rated, Messier's numbers were 52-58-110-135 and Verbeek's were 49-49-98-153.

I think Nash-Stepan-Gaborik would've been a much better line to try than Nash-Richards-Gaborik...

I chose that season of Leetch because I couldn't stomach using a bad season of Richter's. Besides, in 00-01, Leetch had 79 in 82 as a 32 year old on an awful team.

Some of this was difficult. Getting enough defensemen in there was a challenge. Kasparaitis was awesome for us in 03-04 when he wasn't hurt, though.
 

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Nash(2014) Gretzky(1997) Jagr(2006)
Graves(1999) Messier(1992) Gartner(1991)
Straka(2007) Nedved(2001) Amonte(1993)
Kreider(2015) Lindros(2002) Gaborik(2010)

Leetch(1996) Zubov(1994)
McDonagh(2012) Girardi(2010)
Staal(2009) beukeboom(1995)

Lundqvist(2007)
Richter(1998)
 

bernmeister

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Okay, this is how much I REALLY didn't want to work on my dissertation tonight. I got the idea that it would be interesting to see what kind of a roster you could put together if you took one player from each Ranger's roster over the past 22 years (based on the logic that you need four lines, three defensive pairs, two goalies, and an extra forward and D).

These were my ground-rules:

-No repeats (no rosters with three Leetch's, two Grezky's etc).
-Players have to have played the position where you are placing them.
-Pick the player based on the YEAR that you picked them (ie: if you pick post-Vancouver Mess, that's the one you're getting, not 1994 Mess).

That's basically it. Here's what I came up with when I gave it a go (as I said--desperately avoiding work tonight). My first move was to go through the rosters once quickly and identify several MUST keep seasons (Graves' 52 goal year, Jagr's post-lockout year, Lundqvist's Vezina year, etc). That, combined with position requirements/realities meant that I had to forego several players who I'd thought for sure would have made it (Brass, Zucc, Staal, Beuk, Prospal, Nylander, Nedved, LaFontaine). The whole process sort of showed that we have, historically, been VERY weak on D (RD in particular) and very strong at Center.


Here's what I came up with. Feel free to critique, do your own, or just peruse it to avoid doing Sunday evening work yourself, haha:


First Line: Graves (93-94) Gretzky (97-98) Jagr (05-06)

Second Line: Nash (12-13) Messier (95-96) Gaborik (09-10)

Third Line: Fleury (00-01) Lindros (01-02) Kovalev (03-04)

Fourth Line: Straka (06-07) Stepan (12-13) Callahan (08-09)


First Pair: Leetch (96-97) Zubov (94-95)

Second Pair: McDonagh (13-14) Girardi (10-11)

Third Pair: Yandle (15-16) Ulf Samuelsson (98-99)

Starting Goalie: Lundqvist (11-12)
Backup Goalie: Richter (99-00)

Extra Forward/Defenseman:
Pavel Bure (02-03)
Michal Rozsival (07-08)


The top line is Graves the year he broke the goal scoring record (a tough choice over Zubov, but had to be done), Gretzky's second best year with the Rangers (going with that season let me bring in Leetch's second Norris run in 96-97), and Jagr's amazing year out of the lockout.

The second line is Nash's 42 goal season on the left wing, with Gaborik's 44 goal season on the right wing, with Messier in the middle, in a season where he put up 99 points and finished 2nd in Hart Trophy voting.

The third line has Theo Fleury on the left wing from his best season as a Ranger (74 points in 62 games), with Eric Lindros in the middle--also from his best season as a Ranger (73 points in 72 games)--with Alex Kovalev on the right, from what was definitely NOT his best year as a Ranger (45 points in 78 games), but after my "locks," the pickings for RW were a little slim.

The fourth line has Straka (70 points in 77 games) and a young Ryan Callahan (40 points in 81 games) on the wings, with Stepan's PPG lockout season in the middle (44 points in 48 games). The RW here was tough. Zherdev put up significantly better production, but I think Callahan from that season would contribute to more wins with his defensive play and attitude.

The D is stacked on the left, and a bit weak on the right.

The top pair is Brian Leetch from his second Norris Trophy season (78 points in 82 games) paired with Sergei Zubov in his lockout-shortened final season with the team (36 points in 38 games).

The second pair is Ryan McDonagh's best season thus far (43 points in 77 games with some Norris votes) paired with Dan Girardi's best offensive season (31 points in 80 games)--this was the season before Girardi came in 6th in Norris voting.

The third pair is a classic deke and dirty pair, with Keith Yandle from this past season (47 points in 82 games) paired up with Ulf Samuelsson from his last season with the Rangers (93 PIMs in 67 games).

In goal, I have Henrik from his Vezina winning season, and he's being backed up by Richter in a season that wasn't his best (but nobody else on that team was worth taking, and Richter needed to be here).

I have Pavel Bure as my spare forward in the year that his knees completely died (but he played amazingly well until that point--30 points in 39 games including 19 goals). My spare defenseman is Michal Rozsival from 07-08 (a respectable .5 ppg pace).


Position Player GP G A PTS PIM

RW Bure 39 19 11 30 16
RW Callahan 81 22 18 40 45
LW Fleury 62 30 44 74 122
RW Gaborik 76 42 44 86 37
D Girardi 80 4 27 31 37
LW Graves 84 52 27 79 127
C Gretzky 82 23 67 90 28
RW Jagr 82 54 69 123 72
RW Kovalev 66 13 29 42 54
D Leetch 82 20 58 78 40
C Lindros 72 37 36 73 138
D McDonagh 77 14 29 43 36
C Messier 74 47 52 99 122
LW Nash 79 42 27 69 36
D Rozsival 80 13 25 38 80
D Samuelsson 67 4 8 12 93
LW Straka 77 29 41 70 24
C Stepan 48 18 26 44 12
D Yandle 82 5 42 47 40
D Zubov 38 10 26 36 18


G Henrik Lundqvist .930 save %, 1.97gaa, 8 Shutouts
G Mike Richter .905 save %, 2.87 gaa, 0 Shutouts


good, and entertaining :yo:

not gonna do breakdowns per yr but would keep Kovalev,
and want alternates for Fleury, Stepan (perhaps Brassard?) and Girardi, possibly one or 2 more also
 

smoneil

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good, and entertaining :yo:

not gonna do breakdowns per yr but would keep Kovalev,
and want alternates for Fleury, Stepan (perhaps Brassard?) and Girardi, possibly one or 2 more also

I'd be surprised if you could replace Fleury with a better player. Theo was quite a bit over PPG that year. The defense was a bit tough, especially on the right hand side. The only way to really snag better RHD when I went through would have been to leave off amazing seasons by other players. Getting Beuk over Girardi (and remember, this was from when Girardi was good) would have meant losing Graves' 50+ goal season, Gretzky, Mess's Hart-worthy season, or Leetch's Norris season. I just couldn't justify leaving those off, which left me with slimmer pickings on the D.

The Stepan pick I think could be debatable. I could have gone with Nedved or Nylander (with a bit of shuffling). But Step was quite good in the lockout, and I don't know if the upgrade would have been large enough to offset other moves.

It was quite a bit harder to decide on a lot of these spots than I thought it would be (and as I said earlier--I was somewhat amused by the fact that several of my favorite Rangers of this era didn't make the cut, haha).
 

Zamboner

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I thought about this way longer than I should have.

Graves (1993) Messier (1995) Jagr (2006)
Shanahan (2007) Gretzky (1997) Gaborik (2010)
Nash (2015) Lindros (2002) Gartner (1991)
Nedved (2001) Stepan (2013) Callahan (2009)

Leetch (1992) Beukeboom (1993)
McDonagh (2014) Zubov (1994)
Staal (2011) Patrick (1988)

Henrik Lundqvist (2012)
Mike Richter (1996)

I like keepig Messier and Graves together. I miss Gravy's career year, but put him on a line with Jagr, who broke Graves' goal record. I like this line a lot. Big, tough, and would give Corsi a giant erection with possession. Messier on his off wing, or behind the net, Jagr on the right dot, and Gravy in front of the net.

Second line has Gretzky passing to Shanny and Gabby, stationed on each dot, which is all you really need to say.

Third line is the Rangers Legion of Doom line, Nash as a better Leclair, Gartner as a better Renberg. Move Cally up to Gartner's spot late, and it transitions into a checking line.

4th line is a totally over qualified checking line. Stepan and Cally work great together, and Nedved is an extra center that plays the left side. Somebody else might slot Zucc there, and I wouldn't fight hard about it.

I keep Leetch and Beuk together, because it doesn't feel right separating them. That's actually Beuk's career year in point total.

Mac and Zubov feels right to me. Mac is best as defensive D-Man, and this would allow Zubov to roam, and Mac to pinch in sparingly, and when the time is right.

Staal and Patrick, I don't know. That was one of Staal's best defensive years, and Patrick put up a lot of points, so it could create a poor man's Leetch-Beuk pairing.

Henrik's Vezina year being backed up by a really good Richter year.
 

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Graves (1993) Messier (1995) Gartner (1991)
Fleury (2000) Gretzky (1997) Shanahan (2007)
Straka (2006) Nylander (2006) Jagr (2005)
Nash (2015) Lindros (2002) Gaborik (2010)
Callahan (2009) Avery (2007)

Leetch (1992) Beukeboom (1993)
McDonagh (2014) Zubov (1994)
Staal (2011) Yandle (2015)
Samuelsson (1998)

Henrik Lundqvist (2012)
Mike Richter (1994)

Coaches
Keenan (HC), Torts (ass), AV (ass)
Video coach - Renney
 

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Full roster
Graves (1993) Messier (1995) Gartner (1991)
Fleury (2000) Gretzky (1997) Shanahan (2007)
Straka (2006) Nylander (2006) Jagr (2005)
Nash (2015) Lindros (2002) Gaborik (2010)
Callahan (2009) Avery (2007)

Leetch (1992) Beukeboom (1993)
McDonagh (2014) Zubov (1994)
Staal (2011) Yandle (2015)
Samuelsson (1998)

Henrik Lundqvist (2012)
Mike Richter (1994)

Coaches
Keenan (HC), Torts (ass), AV (ass)
Video coach - Renney

That McD - Zubov line would have been deadly.
 

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Graves (1998) Messier (1993) Jagr (2006)
Nash (2015) Lindros (2004) Gaborik (2010)
Hlavac (2000) Nedved (1999) Dvorak (2002)

Leetch (1994) Girardi (2013)
Kasparaitis (2007) Zubov (1995)
Klein (2015) Stralman (2014)

Henrik Lundqvist (2012)
Mike Richter (1996)

Win.
 

NickyFotiu

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You have to keep Theo Fleury and Lindros together.

The FLY line (Fleury-Lindros-York) was fun to watch.
 

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