Belizarius
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My bad, you're right.Reaper45 said:Not that I know of. I don't think that he did.
Maybe a bust so...
My bad, you're right.Reaper45 said:Not that I know of. I don't think that he did.
The next four sure,but what about guys in the other slots like hamhuis and Hemsky for example?Anksun said:I dont know about that.
I wouldnt take any of the next 4 picks of this draft over Komisarek. You have to go 5 picks later to get a player that might/is worthy of an higher selection. I'm quite happy with Komisarek looking at those 4 players.
Pascal Leclaire -
Tuomo Ruutu -
Dan Blackburn -
Fredrik Sjostrom -
Abyss said:Good read but...
Morrison was probably the Caps best D-man this season, not a "2nd or 3rd pairing guy"
stardog said:I dunno...its been 5 years and i think that is plenty of time to gauge where a prospect should turn up (although with injuries its different of course). Call him a bust? I think its a fair call.
Depends. He's been very good on the caps, despite having to change partners a few times. He's not a very noticeable guy because he's not flashy, and he doesn't get PP time, but he;s shut down teams best players on a few occasions this past season. He was also the only plus player. On most teams he wouldn't be a first pairing guy this year, but in a few he will, barring a catastrophic, Maxime Oullet-like descentLevitate said:being the caps best D-man isn't saying much
I'd say Morrison can be a good 2nd pairing guy. a #3 type defensman, but not a true 1st pairing guy unless paired with someone really good
not saying the guy isn't good...but he doesn't scream "top pairing defenseman!" to me exactly.
2003, yes, 2002, I don't buy it. That draft wasn't too special after the first 4.Riel said:Good read. Kovalchuk and Spezza alone makes it a good draft year, let alone the rest. But 2002 and 2003 are already looking like better draft years than 2001. Scouts are getting better every year and the players selected are usually the right ones.
Belizarius said:Karlsson just signed with the Kings, isn't it? A little too soon for the bust status, but "slow development" would be acurate.
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You'd be nuts not to take Ruutu over Komisarek. Nuts. And yes, that is taking Ruutu's injury situation into consideration. The potential reward far outweighs the risk of losing a player the caliber of Mike Komisarek.Anksun said:I dont know about that.
I wouldnt take any of the next 4 picks of this draft over Komisarek. You have to go 5 picks later to get a player that might/is worthy of an higher selection. I'm quite happy with Komisarek looking at those 4 players.
Pascal Leclaire -
Tuomo Ruutu -
Dan Blackburn -
Fredrik Sjostrom -
stardog said:I dunno...its been 5 years and i think that is plenty of time to gauge where a prospect should turn up (although with injuries its different of course). Call him a bust? I think its a fair call.
Dr. Charles Kobasew had a twenty goal season averaging less then 12 minutes per game. Facts get in the way of the "never shows on the score sheet" poop you poped out of your mouth.habsfan15 said:Chuck Kobasew - Seems to do many things right but it never shows on the score sheet. Will be a solid 3rd liner.
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MrMastodonFarm said:Dr. Charles Kobasew had a twenty goal season averaging less then 12 minutes per game. Facts get in the way of the "never shows on the score sheet" poop you poped out of your mouth.
MaDdY said:Carlo Colaiacovo was playing some great hockey before he got injured. He will get minutes as the Leafs number 4 defenseman next year. He is healthy now. When he was playing last year he was making good passes, playing good defensively, and most of all...hitting everything in sight. He was become a crowd favorite until he got injured against Ottawa. The hits on Bertuzzi and Guerin were priceless.
2001 was supposed to be a very strong draft. I've been a little disappointed by it. The top two picks are well on their way to being the offensive stars they were supposed to be. But after that, there are an above average number players who aren't going to meet expectations. In 10 years, I think we're going to look back on it the same way as look at the 2002 Draft: a strong top end, but after that, a fairly sharp drop-off.Kirk Muller said:Is it just me or does the 2001 draft look like it was a really good draft? I'm not talking about the top picks, but about the overall number of players who are currently in the NHL. Only a few teams seem to have really struck out completely.
Speaking of Foster, I remember the announcers being surprised at the selection at the time, and he really hasn't had any luck with injuries. He's played only 144 games in the last 6 years, including a stretch from 2000 to 2003 where he only played 41 games.
Anksun said:I dont know about that.
I wouldnt take any of the next 4 picks of this draft over Komisarek. You have to go 5 picks later to get a player that might/is worthy of an higher selection. I'm quite happy with Komisarek looking at those 4 players.
Pascal Leclaire -
Tuomo Ruutu -
Dan Blackburn -
Fredrik Sjostrom -
Colaiacovo and the doctors are inclined to disagree.digitalmonkey said:No, he isn't healthy now.
Thats swell. But lets look at the law of averages and for every Jason Marshall, Aaron Ward and Taylor Pyatt you can name, I could name 1000 more Robert Dome's Milan Krafts etc to counter the point you just made. I am not ignorant enough to defend the position that there are no such things as late bloomers by any stretch of the imgination. But I am going to say it is fair to call Karlsson a bust as he has shown not much in the way of hope for an NHL future.turnbuckle said:Calling a player I surmise that you know little or nothing about a bust 5 years after his draft is far from fair.
Jason Marshall was a top ten pick labelled a complete bust right up until he was 25 1/2 years old. Since then he's played in more than 500 NHL games, and is now in the top ten in games played among first round picks from 1989. If someone had told you a decade ago that someday Marshall would justify his 9th selection in the 89 draft they would have thought you were nuts.
Aaron Ward was a top five pick labelled a big bust five years after his selection in 1991; there were still grumblings three years later when he still wasn't a regular on Detroit's vaunted defence. Well; 10 years later he's arguably one of the top 6 or 7 players left from the first round of that draft, playing for his 3rd Stanley Cup ring, with at least three or four solid seasons left in him.
Six years after being drafted in the first round by NYI, Todd Bertuzzi was being labelled a bust having never scored more than 10 goals in an NHL season since his rookie campaign. Three years later he was one of the top wingers in the game.
Before this season Tim Connolly was being called a bust, same with Pyatt.
There are dozens of examples, Ollie Jokinens if you will, so it's not fair to write off anyone at this point
Rand said:Colaiacovo and the doctors are inclined to disagree.
Cola recovered from the concussion a few months back now almost, the initial career ending fears have long since completely dissipated. He was playing contact hockey in practice in late April with the Marlies.