A decent coach will minimize the odds of a significant skids. (honestly, they don't often have losing streaks in the reg)Cripes if they do, they’ll risk going back to jerseys getting thrown on the ice and the first sign of a skid.
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A decent coach will minimize the odds of a significant skids. (honestly, they don't often have losing streaks in the reg)Cripes if they do, they’ll risk going back to jerseys getting thrown on the ice and the first sign of a skid.
Cooper and Brind’Amour or next level IMO and would warrant an immediate change if available against most coaches.So Rod Brind'Amour? Not that I think he will coach anywhere if it's not Carolina. That dude is about as roots as it gets.
And then they created the players association and the players spoke about how bad of an organization the Toronto Maple Leafs are and then they struggled to have any talent that wasn't drafted here for years until that culture changed and hopefully the damage done to the organization was not irredeemable. Yours is a bad way to achieve a winning culture or team.You're right it is fantasy that people get held accountable in Toronto.
Funny how the players have no problem doing everything in their power to maximize their earnings but when it comes time for their own accountability, all of a sudden we have to be realistic about things lmfao.
Do you think if Marner and Tavares were told gtfo or sit out they would stay? So very clearly that can be how things work, ownership just doesn't have the balls to do it. If any other wimps don't like it, they can gtfo too, none of the players here have proven to be some irreplaceable stud anyways.
I'm not sure what you are saying. Of course they could have, and should have. All of them. But shouldn't that be on management? That's a completely different argument.Did they not want those contracts? Couldn't they have taken less?
Better yet they had all this time to show up in the playoffs, they didn't. It's 100% their fault.
Didn't Marner just say they're treated like Gods here ROFL?And then they created the players association and the players spoke about how bad of an organization the Toronto Maple Leafs are and then they struggled to have any talent that wasn't drafted here for years until that culture changed and hopefully the damage done to the organization was not irredeemable. Yours is a bad way to achieve a winning culture or team.
This. ^And then they created the players association and the players spoke about how bad of an organization the Toronto Maple Leafs are and then they struggled to have any talent that wasn't drafted here for years until that culture changed and hopefully the damage done to the organization was not irredeemable. Yours is a bad way to achieve a winning culture or team.
So throw away team performance so they can devalue Marner's next contract ? That may not be the best coaching strategy.Marner does not have them by the balls. A new coach can 3rd line and p.k him and devalue his next contract. Tavares saw what happened to Sundin. They can offer him front office if he complies. He may even want out now. There are ways to handle it. Especially if a new coach hates Marner.
You are correct.I don't have time to look that up either, but IIRC they won 2 rounds during the 80s.
What does Marner's description of the current treatment by the fan base have to do with how the players would receive your proposed radical shift in treatment by an employer?Didn't Marner just say they're treated like Gods here ROFL?
Oh and my bad for ruining the winning culture Marner and Tavares helped create with their awesome contracts and fantastic playoff performances.
Marner has a better career playoff PPG and a much better +/- than Willie and Matthews. Where's the outrage? Or is it just recency bias?Didn't Marner just say they're treated like Gods here ROFL?
Oh and my bad for ruining the winning culture Marner and Tavares helped create with their awesome contracts and fantastic playoff performances.
But if the coach had the respect of the players, and especially if he held EVERYONE accountable, that would definitely help. Also, if he could hire assistant coaches who specialized in their position (PP, PK, to name a few) and if something wasn't working they (including the coach) would try something different, again, that would help.Cooper and Brind’Amour or next level IMO and would warrant an immediate change if available against most coaches.
I just don’t see anything, be it Berube or Gallant that is next level better than where we are. Time will tell and maybe a different voice would be beneficial but I don’t think our issues are just resolved by coaching alone.
It's not about accountability in the least... I'm all for accountability.You're right it is fantasy that people get held accountable in Toronto.
Funny how the players have no problem doing everything in their power to maximize their earnings but when it comes time for their own accountability, all of a sudden we have to be realistic about things lmfao.
Do you think if Marner and Tavares were told gtfo or sit out they would stay? So very clearly that can be how things work, ownership just doesn't have the balls to do it. If any other wimps don't like it, they can gtfo too, none of the players here have proven to be some irreplaceable stud anyways.
You mean for the past 8 years we haven’t had that? No respect from the players? No different assistant coaches. Different GMs? Different players? Who is holding them accountable when every year it’s a phone call from Shanahan saying don’t worry, it’s all good.But if the coach had the respect of the players, and especially if he held EVERYONE accountable, that would definitely help. Also, if he could hire assistant coaches who specialized in their position (PP, PK, to name a few) and if something wasn't working they (including the coach) would try something different, again, that would help.
The Leafs won their last cup when the Players Association was created by a Red Wing player doing the work. I highly doubt anyone thought a cup winning team was any worse than other teams of that era. Every team does things you could point to and it made no difference so long as money was involved. Sitting them won't be looked at well by the NHLPA, but stapling them together with Reeves is part of the gameAnd then they created the players association and the players spoke about how bad of an organization the Toronto Maple Leafs are and then they struggled to have any talent that wasn't drafted here for years until that culture changed and hopefully the damage done to the organization was not irredeemable. Yours is a bad way to achieve a winning culture or team.
Do you think the players wanted to play super defensive this year?
The system was adjusted to fit the players that came in, I doubt the core wants to have their offense neutered even more, it is weird to think they run the team yet chose the most boring way to play hockey.
That will all depend on if Pelley wants to make major changes. I have been saying for quite awhile that Shanahan is the problem. He created this culture and entitlement that this core has. NOTHING will change if Pelley basically keeps things the same, and I'm not expecting that we will find out at Friday's press conference either. We are going to have to wait until after the playoffs at the very least, maybe/probably even longer .You mean for the past 8 years we haven’t had that? No respect from the players? No different assistant coaches. Different GMs? Different players? Who is holding them accountable when every year it’s a phone call from Shanahan saying don’t worry, it’s all good.
Leafs changed their mo pretty quickly after that video went viral.Cripes if they do, they’ll risk going back to jerseys getting thrown on the ice and the first sign of a skid.
No, but do you agree that at least one major change has to be made, to fire Shanahan? I do.It's not about accountability in the least... I'm all for accountability.
But treating players in a childish, unprofessional manner, isn't going to get you anywhere, except ruin your organizations reputation.
This is about working with professionalism. There is no room in any professional organization, for reactionary, angry knee-jerk reactions.
My point was that GMs will always surround themselves with familiar names from their past. I just found it odd that Shanahan's meddling apparently took on a life of its own specifically with Dubas in the role of GM. Anyway, it was something suggested in a tweet posted previously and felt to me like something which was a bit more fantasy than reality due to a lack of concrete details and I'll leave it at that due to this not being overly relevant to the thread topic.Which Soo players were bad?
I never understood this argument when he was just as willing to trade a Soo guy.
The latter would be much easier to accomplish. I'm also not certain that Keefe's upside as a coach can match the core's upside on the ice.If you all had to pick one, would you give the coach a new core,
or the core a new coach?
I would like to see the house cleaned... Shanahan, coaching changes, one of the core... for sure.No, but do you agree that at least one major change has to be made, to fire Shanahan? I do.
Do you think if Marner and Tavares were told gtfo or sit out they would stay? So very clearly that can be how things work, ownership just doesn't have the balls to do it.
Let the inmates run the asylum...
So your plan is to sit $22M worth of cap in the press box replace them with league minimum players, while destroying what chemistry does exist amongst the remaining players?
Then you tell AM34 and 88 that we're not going to ice our best possible line up because we want to show up a couple of your best friends? Never mind the folks shelling out a few hundred bucks each game.
Did you even consider the probable impacts or consequences for this hair brained scheme?
Seems odd to despise Tavares.I can't stand Marner or Tavares and I 100% agree with you.
If you treat players like that it will (not can, will) bite you in the ass at some point. That doesn't mean you can't have accountability, but you can't railroad them and expect no repercussions.
...and when we miss the playoffs next year because we don't have any cap space to replace the two guys sitting in the press box, well, we sure showed them.
So your plan is to sit $22M worth of cap in the press box replace them with league minimum players, while destroying what chemistry does exist amongst the remaining players?
Then you tell AM34 and 88 that we're not going to ice our best possible line up because we want to show up a couple of your best friends? Never mind the folks shelling out a few hundred bucks each game.
Did you even consider the probable impacts or consequences for this hair brained scheme?