Line Combos: Lines this morning

[Runner77]

Ghetto has left a calling card. If the Habs ever have a need, nice to know they can count on that type of player -- something we haven't had a lot of, in past years.

 

[habsfanatics*]

Some of us actually like to cheer for players who are playing well and believe they should be rewarded via meritocracy. Something you and Therrien know nothing about. So if the plan was to send down Ghetto until Eller came back then fine. Why not at least wait for a game where he didn't tally a point before saying,"OK kid! You had your fun, time to go back down."

Setting up the kid for failure reeks on so many levels. People advocate playing Allen to see what Bergevin had acquired and what he could do. I say why not play our youngsters so that we know what THEY can do as they are the future of this team. What lesson did Ghetto learn? Play well and you get punished?

What freaking failure are you talking about, he got some exposure, now he needs to continue to improve. You have to be kidding?

 

[Aceekay]

I really don't understand why weise is on plekanec's line, should be andrighetto but whatever it really doesn't surprise me anymore.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Therrien is a bum.

Again, a person with a Beliveau avatar doing dishonour to the reputation of that classy man by instead acting immature, petulant and insulting.

 

[Skip Bayless]

My mistake on Andrighetto, I thought he could play both, he got a couple of shifts with DD and PAP and they looked pretty good, not sure whom played what tho. It's an exploitation line, just make sure they don't have to play too much in the defensive zone and they'll be fine.

Still don't think Weise is good at defence (or offence really), he's a huge cheater in the defensive zone, he doesn't come close to being as good as Prust this year and I say that as someone who thought Prust was near AHL level last year(but he was pretty clearly injured). He's fast, I'll give him that but grinder =/ good at defence.

Prust works hard, blocks shots, is a warrior. But his lack of speed and his turnovers don't make him a defensive specialist either. I'm not saying Weise is a D specialist or anything, but his combination of speed, sound decision making while providing solid forecheck helps a ton in a defensive line that goes up against the most skilled and fastest players from the opposing team. They're both pretty equal defensively in my book. Not the best on the team, but solid forecheckers who do the right thing for the most part. Weise is just younger and quicker.

Andrighetto could still play LW on Pleky's side, but it's more about the general look of the whole offense instead of that line in particular.

 

[Bryson]

What freaking failure are you talking about, he got some exposure, now he needs to continue to improve. You have to be kidding?

The kid got demoted to a fourth line to play with grinders after scoring a point in each of his previous starts = failure. That's not how you would develop Galchenyuk would you?

 

[Habs_Apostle]

Therrien has guided this team to two amazing seasons, and he's well on his way to giving us a third. You people need to learn to relax and enjoy the ride.

 

[Habs_Apostle]

The kid got demoted to a fourth line to play with grinders after scoring a point in each of his previous starts = failure. That's not how you would develop Galchenyuk would you?

Galchey has developed just fine and so will Ghetto. You don't want to give too much to a rookie too soon; no matter how good they are, you gotta make them earn it, let them know there's a pecking order, and keep them hungry and motivated. It's good for the rookie and good for the mental health of the team. Therrien knows what he's doing. Have faith.

 

[DAChampion]

Therrien has guided this team to two amazing seasons, and he's well on his way to giving us a third. You people need to learn to relax and enjoy the ride.

It's precisely because we have an amazing roster that mediocre coaching becomes intolerable.

When Cunneyworth coached the team into the ground it didn't hurt much, since the team was weak.

 

[habsfanatics*]

The kid got demoted to a fourth line to play with grinders after scoring a point in each of his previous starts = failure. That's not how you would develop Galchenyuk would you?

He's not Galchenyuk, and he'll never be.

 

[ECWHSWI]

Therrien has guided this team to two amazing seasons, and he's well on his way to giving us a third. You people need to learn to relax and enjoy the ride.

So, Therrien is perfect, I see...

 

[Habs_Apostle]

It's precisely because we have an amazing roster that mediocre coaching becomes intolerable.

When Cunneyworth coached the team into the ground it didn't hurt much, since the team was weak.

OR we have a mediocre roster made amazing by an incredible coach . How you like dem apples!

 

[DAChampion]

He's not Galchenyuk, and he'll never be.

Regardless Andrighetto might be pretty good.

He's somewhere in the continuum between Matt D'Agostini and Jordan Eberle, it would be good to find out where.

He had 3 points in 3 games. Hhe had earned more games on Plek's wing.

I'm reminded of how Tinordi and Pateryn both played 3 good NHL games in 2012-2013 ... two years later and nothing.

 

[DAChampion]

we have a mediocre roster made amazing by an incredible coach

An incorrect statement.

 

[habfaninvictoria]

Again, not a fan of Therrien but he is obviously trying to ice a lineup that can match the Duck's size and physicality for tomorrow nights game. That is what I see from this mornings practice lines.

Not gonna say I'm an expert, but....

Why match a lineup to the other teams strengths? How about putting a lineup that exploits their weakness and forces them to a gameplan they don't like. SPEEED


Obviously we need a strategy to deal with Getzlaf.... hello Pleks line.

 

[Habs_Apostle]

So, Therrien is perfect, I see...

I guess I should apologize. Holy smokes, I was completely kidding about he spanking thing, just being playful. I see I got an infraction for it. I didn't mean anything by it, really. I guess it's best I just lurk.

 

[Andy]

OR we have a mediocre roster made amazing by an incredible coach . How you like dem apples!

That's a ridiculous statement. There is no way that a team with a core of Price, Subban, Pacioretty, Plekanec, Markov and Galchenyuk is a mediocre roster. That's the most absurd thing I've heard, especially considering that the supporting cast is solid, even though it can be improved.

 

[Bryson]

Not gonna say I'm an expert, but....

Why match a lineup to the other teams strengths? How about putting a lineup that exploits their weakness and forces them to a gameplan they don't like. SPEEED


Obviously we need a strategy to deal with Getzlaf.... hello Pleks line.

Exactly we'll never match them in size. Not even muhammad ali was that stupid. The habs identity has always been about speed. We've gotten away from that and it all starts on the back end and the transition game. That rush by Markov on Galchenyuk's first goal was a thing of beauty! Couldn't have come up with a better play even if they had drawn it up.

 

[groovejuice]

OR we have a mediocre roster made amazing by an incredible coach . How you like dem apples!

He's certainly worked his magic with Subban.

 

[habfaninvictoria]

OR we have a mediocre roster made amazing by an incredible coach . How you like dem apples!

Really.

Teams that have potential Vezina, Selke Norris and Richard Trophy nominees are not mediocre. They are typically considered cup contenders.

 

[Pricef*]

This place is too much. If MT and his staff are such idiots don't any of you think that MB and the rest of upper management would see it and do something about it or are they idiots too??

 

[Habs_Apostle]

That's a ridiculous statement. There is no way that a team with a core of Price, Subban, Pacioretty, Plekanec, Markov and Galchenyuk is a mediocre roster. That's the most absurd thing I've heard, especially considering that the supporting cast is solid, even though it can be improved.

Exactly. Now take that feeling of absurdity and meditate on it; that's exactly how the rest of us feel when you Anti Therrien's go on about how he's ruined every player on the team, how every move he makes tactically and roster-wise is an abomination, how the team is destined for mediocrity under this coaching regime, etc. So imagine if I posted statements like this repeatedly and voluminously how you'd feel?

I'm just asking for a little common sense, some middle ground here (and, to clarify, I'm doing it in the nicest, least insulting way I know how). I mean, can we not point out the bad AND the good? I get it doesn't have to be all sunshine and rainbows but, surely to God almighty, it doesn't have to be all rain showers and thunderstorms either.

 

[Habs_Apostle]

Really.

Teams that have potential Vezina, Selke Norris and Richard Trophy nominees are not mediocre. They are typically considered cup contenders.

Yes, and these players are achieving these accolades UNDER Therrien's tutelage. Think about that! By the way, in Victoria for the holidays. This is the city of my birth and haven't been here for years. It's such a charming little city! Think I'd like to retire here someday.

 

[Hackett]

http://www.gohabsgo.com/en/2014/12/17/new-lines-for-the-montreal-canadiens/

Pacioretty-Galchenyuk-Gallagher
Sekac-Plekanec-Weise
Bournival-Desharnais-Parenteau
Prust-Malhotra-Tangradi/Eller?
Andrighetto(scratch)

What has Bournival done that Ghetto didn't... ?

(sorry if the lines were posted elsewhere, didn't see anything about that)

This could be a case of people management. Bournival has been very patient this season, and has served a couple conditioning stints in Hamilton. He's been patient and he needs to play.

Unfortunately for andrighetto, his fate was always to get sent down this season, and it will happen soon as eller gets closer to form. There just isn't room for him unless another injury arises.

 

[Andy]

So imagine if I posted statements like this repeatedly and voluminously how you'd feel?

I'd think you were wrong because it isn't a mediocre club. That being said, I still don't think MT is the right coach for this team despite the win column. I think the team has the potential to be even more structured than it currently is and to have to have the talented exploited a little better. The win column should never stop someone from improving the team. MT is one of a few other components on the club that I think can be upgraded. Mediocre coaches have done well record wise with good rosters in the past, so it's like its unfathomable that the team could do better under a better coach. Yeah, the record is good, but good should always strive for better.

That being said, I'm realistic and know MT won't get fired with a winning record, but that doesn't change the fact that I don't think team can be as good as it can be with the man behind the bench. Pointing to the win column is not a substantial counter-argument so spare me you "he has had 2 years of success" argument.

What's more, winning records haven't prevented coaches from being canned in the past.