World Cup: Let's decide right now: does this count?

[matsqq]

You mean the fact that four teams in a supposed best on best tournament cannot take their best. Not an opinion - a fact. I am also amused that someone who can't even understand the point of the thread thinks that he can read my mind. Once again - the result of this tournament is tarnished for any winner, including Canada, because four of the teams do not have their best. Since you seem to struggle with reading posts, here it ism in its own little paragraph:

The result of this tournament is tarnished for any winner, including Canada, because four of the teams do not have their best.

That has been my position for over a year. Dancing around the fact that four of the teams in this tournament could not take their best by wrongly guessing my motive doesn't change that fact.



I really think that many people didn't read the purpose of the thread. The World Championships doesn't "count" in this context. The reason that this tournament doesn't is that it isn't a best on best.

Four teams ? Sorry, I don't follow you ...
USA has some guys gone, Canada maybe some, but apart from those, which two teams do you mean ?

 

[matsqq]

After Finland got knocked out and Sweden got to semifinals this tournament became the most important tournament ever to determine which of those countries is the best in best-on-best !

 

[JackSlater]

Four teams ? Sorry, I don't follow you ...
USA has some guys gone, Canada maybe some, but apart from those, which two teams do you mean ?

Team North America doesn't have the best North Americans, team Europe does not have the best Europeans.

 

[hitmen19]

Team North America doesn't have the best North Americans, team Europe does not have the best Europeans.

lol, see built in excuses if Russia or Sweden wins. Canada didn't have McDavid, it doesn't count.

Reporter: Hey Ovechkin, how does it feel to finally win a big best on best tournament for your country since 1981? You guys came over great adversity, and beat Canada in Canada, finally got a huge victory over Crosby in the semi's and you scored a great goal in game 3 ot to beat Sweden.

Ovechkin: It feels great, unreal to be honest. We feel we got a little bit of the revenge back from not doing as well in Sochi as we would have liked and...

Reporter 2: ummmm..... actually I would like to clarify, .its not a best on best

Ovechkin: why not?

Reporter 2:some guys on the internet aren't calling it a best on best

Ovechkin: We won the tourney in Canada, with nhl refs, and your saying it doesn't count, under the best on best framework of the tournament

Reporter 2: Well Canada didn't have the ability to pick up Connor McDavid, so they didn't have their best players. So you guys still haven't won a best on best since 1981.

Ovechkin: So Canada 1991 counts eventhough we were going thru turmoil and didn't send any of our top players. So Czech Republic winning in 2005 doesn't count eventhough every country could send its best due to a lockout?

Reporter 2: Yup, sorry. Canada couldn't ice its best team at home, because they might have a taken a player, that still we don't even know if they would have

Ovechkin can't answer another question because he can't stop laughing hysterically.

Reporter 2 gets laughed out of the building

End of interview

 

[JackSlater]

lol, see built in excuses if Russia or Sweden wins. Canada didn't have McDavid, it doesn't count.

Reporter: Hey Ovechkin, how does it feel to finally win a big best on best tournament for your country since 1981? You guys came over great adversity, and beat Canada in Canada, finally got a huge victory over Crosby in the semi's and you scored a great goal in game 3 ot to beat Sweden.

Ovechkin: It feels great, unreal to be honest. We feel we got a little bit of the revenge back from not doing as well in Sochi as we would have liked and...

Reporter 2: ummmm..... actually I would like to clarify, .its not a best on best

Ovechkin: why not?

Reporter 2:some guys on the internet aren't calling it a best on best

Ovechkin: We won the tourney in Canada, with nhl refs, and your saying it doesn't count, under the best on best framework of the tournament

Reporter 2: Well Canada didn't have the ability to pick up Connor McDavid, so they didn't have their best players. So you guys still haven't won a best on best since 1981.

Ovechkin: So Canada 1991 counts eventhough we were going thru turmoil and didn't send any of our top players. So Czech Republic winning in 2005 doesn't count eventhough every country could send its best due to a lockout?

Reporter 2: Yup, sorry. Canada couldn't ice its best team at home, because they might have a taken a player, that still we don't even know if they would have

Ovechkin can't answer another question because he can't stop laughing hysterically.

Reporter 2 gets laughed out of the building

End of interview

What does the hitmen19 imagined Ovechkin's misundertanding of a term have to do with the fact that four teams do not have their best players? The result is meaningless no matter who wins because four of the teams do not have their best. Your inability to understand this, instead projecting your own feelings, implies some kind of language barrier, but I've said it enough that you should be able to grasp the point by now.

That four of the teams could not bring their best is a fact - not a poorly written imaginary dialogue, but a fact. The question that you refused to answer before remains:

Could team USA select the best American players? Could team Canada select the best Canadian players? Could team North America select the best North American players? Could team Europe select the best European players?

 

[Nordique]

Of course it counts. The games were played and millions tuned in to watch the best in the world represent their "Nations". This is more of a player showcase than an international tournament, but none the less it counts.

 

[hitmen19]

What does the hitmen19 imagined Ovechkin's misundertanding of a term have to do with the fact that four teams do not have their best players? The result is meaningless no matter who wins because four of the teams do not have their best. Your inability to understand this, instead projecting your own feelings, implies some kind of language barrier, but I've said it enough that you should be able to grasp the point by now.

That four of the teams could not bring their best is a fact - not a poorly written imaginary dialogue, but a fact. The question that you refused to answer before remains:

Could team USA select the best American players? Could team Canada select the best Canadian players? Could team North America select the best North American players? Could team Europe select the best European players?

And the fact that you consider it meaningless is not a viewpoint shared by the players playing in the tournament. Whats more meaningless to be honest is the debating of the tournament if its a best on best, which it is

 

[Gary Nylund]

lol, see built in excuses if Russia or Sweden wins. Canada didn't have McDavid, it doesn't count.

Reporter: Hey Ovechkin, how does it feel to finally win a big best on best tournament for your country since 1981? You guys came over great adversity, and beat Canada in Canada, finally got a huge victory over Crosby in the semi's and you scored a great goal in game 3 ot to beat Sweden.

Ovechkin: It feels great, unreal to be honest. We feel we got a little bit of the revenge back from not doing as well in Sochi as we would have liked and...

Reporter 2: ummmm..... actually I would like to clarify, .its not a best on best

Ovechkin: why not?

Reporter 2:some guys on the internet aren't calling it a best on best

Ovechkin: We won the tourney in Canada, with nhl refs, and your saying it doesn't count, under the best on best framework of the tournament

Reporter 2: Well Canada didn't have the ability to pick up Connor McDavid, so they didn't have their best players. So you guys still haven't won a best on best since 1981.

Ovechkin: So Canada 1991 counts eventhough we were going thru turmoil and didn't send any of our top players. So Czech Republic winning in 2005 doesn't count eventhough every country could send its best due to a lockout?

Reporter 2: Yup, sorry. Canada couldn't ice its best team at home, because they might have a taken a player, that still we don't even know if they would have

Ovechkin can't answer another question because he can't stop laughing hysterically.

Reporter 2 gets laughed out of the building

End of interview

Not bad at all. I could see something along these lines happening IRL were Russia to win (assuming a reporter dumb enough to ask these questions could be found).

 

[llwyd]

And the fact that you consider it meaningless is not a viewpoint shared by the players playing in the tournament. Whats more meaningless to be honest is the debating of the tournament if its a best on best, which it is

Well, it's not - some national teams are rather bad if you think about players. This is obviously not best on best. And it's not best on best also in terms of national teams as their are some weird all stars teams added which devalue for example the USA. Should Hockey America count this tournament among their teams' best on best tournaments as they couldn't choose their best available team?

 

[JackSlater]

And the fact that you consider it meaningless is not a viewpoint shared by the players playing in the tournament. Whats more meaningless to be honest is the debating of the tournament if its a best on best, which it is

Good for the players. Dancing around the question doesn't make it disappear though. The question that you didn't answer remains:

Could team USA select the best American players? Could team Canada select the best Canadian players? Could team North America select the best North American players? Could team Europe select the best European players?

Well, it's not - some national teams are rather bad if you think about players. This is obviously not best on best. And it's not best on best also in terms of national teams as their are some weird all stars teams added which devalue for example the USA. Should Hockey America count this tournament among their teams' best on best tournaments as they couldn't choose their best available team?

He is unlikely to answer, as the reality of the situation is rather inconvenient given his incorrect stance.

 

[hitmen19]

Well, it's not - some national teams are rather bad if you think about players. This is obviously not best on best. And it's not best on best also in terms of national teams as their are some weird all stars teams added which devalue for example the USA. Should Hockey America count this tournament among their teams' best on best tournaments as they couldn't choose their best available team?

Yes, the players and management of Hockey America talk about the tournament as a best on best. They don't need technical wordsmiths to try and tell them it wasn't

 

[Paxton Fettel]

This whole BEST on BEST thing, it's like an urban legend on Hfboards. Some guys on some forum on the internet don't get to decide anything. Just enjoy the hockey, be it the world "gimmick" cup, world "starless" championship or the Olympic "we're not ready" tournament. Every competition in international hockey is flawed, even the World Junior "not good enough for the NHL" championship.

 

[hitmen19]

Good for the players. Dancing around the question doesn't make it disappear though. The question that you didn't answer remains:

Could team USA select the best American players? Could team Canada select the best Canadian players? Could team North America select the best North American players? Could team Europe select the best European players?



He is unlikely to answer, as the reality of the situation is rather inconvenient given his incorrect stance.

And good for you for arguing so passionately about something you think is so meaningless to the players. To bad, they speak for themselves, and no amount of excuses about Canada not having McDavid will take that away from them

 

[hitmen19]

This whole BEST on BEST thing, it's like an urban legend on Hfboards. Some guys on some forum on the internet don't get to decide anything. Just enjoy the hockey, be it the world "gimmick" cup, world "starless" championship or the Olympic "we're not ready" tournament. Every competition in international hockey is flawed, even the World Junior "not good enough for the NHL" championship.

Exactly. Everybody's list has differed over all the tourneys. People Like Jack think there is consensus amongst all the other tourneys, and tries to get technical wordsmith with people. They are having a great time not watching the best on best hockey I guess, They are saying it so often.

 

[JackSlater]

And good for you for arguing so passionately about something you think is so meaningless to the players. To bad, they speak for themselves, and no amount of excuses about Canada not having McDavid will take that away from them

Canada not having all of its best, USA not having all of its best, North America not having all of its best, Europe not having all of its best. Since you are going to quote me, the question remains regarding this supposed best on best competition:

Could team USA select the best American players? Could team Canada select the best Canadian players? Could team North America select the best North American players? Could team Europe select the best European players?

 

[hitmen19]

OP- not sure if you are going to put this in your database. But this Finland Russia game is a best on best coming up.

Russia can do a lot and finally win their first best on best since 1981 if they run the table

 

[Wings4Life]

Four teams ? Sorry, I don't follow you ...
USA has some guys gone, Canada maybe some, but apart from those, which two teams do you mean ?

Team North America doesn't have the best North Americans, team Europe does not have the best Europeans.

Make that five teams.

The NHL didn't allow Russia to bring Voynov, who is (sad to say) their best Dman. He is not banned from international competitions or by the IIHF, in fact he just played in this year's world championships and was Russia's top D. It was NHL rules that kept him out of this tournament, meaning Russia couldn't select all their best players for this tournament either.

 

[JackSlater]

Make that five teams.

The NHL didn't allow Russia to bring Voynov, who is (sad to say) their best Dman. He is not banned from international competitions or by the IIHF, in fact he just played in this year's world championships and was Russia's top D. It was NHL rules that kept him out of this tournament, meaning Russia couldn't select all their best players for this tournament either.

I usually forget about that one because it isn't a consequence of the format. It's an issue though.

 

[MXD]

This whole BEST on BEST thing, it's like an urban legend on Hfboards. Some guys on some forum on the internet don't get to decide anything. Just enjoy the hockey, be it the world "gimmick" cup, world "starless" championship or the Olympic "we're not ready" tournament. Every competition in international hockey is flawed, even the World Junior "not good enough for the NHL" championship.

You indeed don't decide anything...

 

[Confucius]

Canada missing Benn, Keith and they may have selected McDavid. So yeah Canada doesn't have their best. Oh well we won't complain and cry about it. I consider it our best against the rest's best.

 

[Theokritos]

I usually forget about that one because it isn't a consequence of the format. It's an issue though.

Yes, it's not a consequence of the format, but it's a consequence of the NHL not caring for the integrity of the tournament.

 

[Xokkeu]

Canada missing Benn, Keith and they may have selected McDavid. So yeah Canada doesn't have their best. Oh well we won't complain and cry about it. I consider it our best against the rest's best.

Benn and Keith are not prohibited from playing for Canada.

 

[xxxx]

You indeed don't decide anything...

But you do?

 

[Confucius]

Benn and Keith are not prohibited from playing for Canada.

Injured so best is not there. Or are we now going to have different conditions on why the best isn't there? Lol

 

[hitmen19]

ovechkin and Crosby shaking hands at center ice. This counts all right