Leafs Management Thread: Shanaplan in full effect

[Jimmy Firecracker]

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[Daisy Jane]

SeaofBlue was saying maybe Director of Pro Scouting?

the thread closed up - but I have to say I 100 percent of what dimi had to say in regards to Dubas/experience.

 

[BayStreetBully]

Actually, I don't know what to make of Dimi's post because it is all over the place.

But Dubas is a moot point because I don't believe Shanny is planning on naming him GM in the near future. As an AGM, that's fine. Actually, Dubas is a great asset as an AGM.

Sean Burke is an intriguing name, and if management feels he is the guy, I'd be all for it.

 

[RyanOhReally]

What does Sean Burke really even bring to the table that we don't already have?

 

[HEAVY DUTY]

i'm kinda surprised we didn't go for Futa. he's a Toronto guy and thought he would be perfect for the job.

wonder why shanny didn't go for him.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

i'm kinda surprised we didn't go for Futa. he's a Toronto guy and thought he would be perfect for the job.

wonder why shanny didn't go for him.

He was my pick as well. Was he interviewed at all? It could be a case where they didn't see him as a good fit.

 

[Daisy Jane]

i'm kinda surprised we didn't go for Futa. he's a Toronto guy and thought he would be perfect for the job.

wonder why shanny didn't go for him.

well. that's the thing. we were going for him (I think our guy was Gorton and that didn't go anywhere). the Futa thing died down drastically around the time the Mike Richards thing blew up. Maybe he just felt like staying around for stuff? I don't know.

Like all reports were all like He + McPhee were basically told what was going on in Toronto and they were all okay with decisions that Shanahan was making, so....

 

[Darlotto99]

I think Rick Dudley would be the best fit for this team both scouting and an ex GM.

 

[Saul Goodman]

i'm kinda surprised we didn't go for Futa. he's a Toronto guy and thought he would be perfect for the job.

wonder why shanny didn't go for him.

We did. Lombardi wouldnt grant permission to speak with him. Haven't heard anything since the draft so who knows, maybe they took another shot and Futa decided to stay put.

 

[Stephen]

He was my pick as well. Was he interviewed at all? It could be a case where they didn't see him as a good fit.

Seems like Futa is more of a size is important type thinker. Maybe the Leafs don't agree with that kind of game.

 

[Teeder9]

I'd be happy with Burke as the GM. He knows hockey, he knows players, and he knows everyone in management on other teams. In the situation that is presenting itself with management and it's structure, he'd be a great asset to have

 

[airbus220]

We did. Lombardi wouldnt grant permission to speak with him. Haven't heard anything since the draft so who knows, maybe they took another shot and Futa decided to stay put.

If this is a rule where does it come from?

 

[BoredBrandonPridham]

If this is a rule where does it come from?

It comes from any coaching / executive contract in the NHL I believe. You can't just approach other coaches and execs about a job when they are under contract. You have to ask permission from the club first and they have right to deny.

Also in the latest CBA, clubs can now request draft picks in exchange for eventual hirings as a result of allowing clubs to speak to coaches / management under contract.

 

[SprDaVE]

What does Sean Burke really even bring to the table that we don't already have?

How would anyone know?

Seems like he's a smart guy and he's seen as a good future exec in the NHL. Nobody knows him around here and he doesn't have a long track record, so there's not much to go on.

 

[Morbo]

@markhmasters: Leafs hire Steve Briere as goalie coach and Ari Vuori as director of European scouting

 

[airbus220]

It comes from any coaching / executive contract in the NHL I believe. You can't just approach other coaches and execs about a job when they are under contract. You have to ask permission from the club first and they have right to deny.

Also in the latest CBA, clubs can now request draft picks in exchange for eventual hirings as a result of allowing clubs to speak to coaches / management under contract.

I understand the compensation with picks when hiring someone under contract. But why shouldn't it be allowed to negotiate for a future contract which starts after the current contract is expired. This should be different to the signing period of players.

 

[LV*]

I think its kinda been forgotten around here... But we're receiving a 3rd from Anaheim for Nonis right? I haven't heard anything about Toronto formally requesting the pick, in the Babcock signing there was a lot of talk about it.

 

[SprDaVE]

I think its kinda been forgotten around here... But we're receiving a 3rd from Anaheim for Nonis right? I haven't heard anything about Toronto formally requesting the pick, in the Babcock signing there was a lot of talk about it.

No. Management compensation only works for GM and coaches (and President I believe). You do not receive compensation if someone goes to another team for any other role.

In the case of Nonis, he's only an advisor.

 

[LV*]

No. Management compensation only works for GM and coaches (and President I believe). You do not receive compensation if someone goes to another team for any other role.

In the case of Nonis, he's only an advisor.

Wow you ruined my morning dave

edit: http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=773799

 

[gravyface]

On Shanamanagement:

I'm pretty sure that a more experienced negotiator could've netted us a better return for Kessel, despite the lack of dance partners.

On Shanaplan:

I like the direction that this organization is taking, particularly in having strong local ties to a Junior-tier team in the Knights via Mark Hunter. Even though they won't obviously control which Knights get drafted by the Leafs, there's always the possibility of trades or at the very least, having intimate knowledge of potential targets (via trade ala Harrington or draft, ala Marner) from a very young age has to give them a long-term strategic advantage over other teams that rely solely on their scouts.

 

[Pyrophorus]

I think Rick Dudley would be the best fit for this team both scouting and an ex GM.

Him, Futa and Brisebois would all be great.

 

[Pyrophorus]

I'd be happy with Burke as the GM. He knows hockey, he knows players, and he knows everyone in management on other teams. In the situation that is presenting itself with management and it's structure, he'd be a great asset to have

As an aside he too, has a son named Brendan, who is a goaltender and drafted by the Yotes.

Sean was born in Windsor, but grew up in Toronto.

 

[Bullseye]

Does anyone else here fear that naming an outsider GM will start the clock ticking on Kyle Dubas being offered a proper NHL GM position elsewhere?

I value Dubas - how can we keep him here long term? He is rapidly becoming a hotshot wiz-kid and will be considered widely for future GM openings.

P.S. Having another Burke as GM of the Leafs makes me cringe.

 

[BayStreetBully]

Does anyone else here fear that naming an outsider GM will start the clock ticking on Kyle Dubas being offered a proper NHL GM position elsewhere?

I value Dubas - how can we keep him here long term? He is rapidly becoming a hotshot wiz-kid and will be considered widely for future GM openings.

P.S. Having another Burke as GM of the Leafs makes me cringe.

I wouldn't worry about that for a while.

 

[Muston Atthews]

Can this be added to the OP? Found it on Twitter