Rumor: Leafs heavily scouting Carolina

[KDOTO]

Part of the problem in a few years in the past is that teams like the Pens would be on auto-pilot until it mattered making it "seem" like there was a chance, and then would take over and separate themselves from the bubble teams. Even this year they are only 1 point ahead of the Canes, but I doubt they'll lose out to Carolina.

Yeah that's y I said it's Montreal or clb

 

[ER89]

This is not arbitrary... This is my standard for all playoff teams( this is how I make my bets) don't matter the team. We did make it but we didn't need any big runs, we had a plus goal differential, we were there all season, and we had elite talent.
But even then i wasn't expecting it, im not making fun as I've been a fan of you know what team. I was stating my point of view and maybe went a little to sarcastic on it. Anyways those are my basic guidelines of a playoff team and so far it's been correct 85 percent of the time.

Uh, your standard IS arbitrary.

 

[KDOTO]

Uh, your standard IS arbitrary.

True, my bad... but like I said it's been good to me. It's a basic red line for me and it has worked more often then not.

 

[ER89]

True my bad but like I said it's been good to me

Hey man, fair enough. Just responding to the fact that it is arbitrary. Not knocking you on anything else.

 

[KDOTO]

Hey man, fair enough. Just responding to the fact that it is arbitrary. Not knocking you on anything else.

Oh I know, it's almost like black Jack when your not hitting when the dealer has a low card. Also no worries

 

[go comets]

I think Columbus is catchable especially if they trade away assets that are becoming free agents instead of losing them for nothing in return...

 

[zeke]

don't be surprised if the habs become catchable as their overheated offense cools down.

 

[Nylanderthal]

I’ll never say never, but would be shocked if Carolina took back Gardiner, who is a UFA to be (or Zaitsev for that matter) in a deal for one of their D.

You have to at least try to take another teams needs into account when proposing deals.

I was. You’re basically swapping ufas with Gardiner and Ferland, but Gardiner plays a position that your team isn’t the strongest at and could easily re-sign or be flipped at the deadline for futures if your management team decides to pull chute. Gardiner would fetch more than Ferland seeing that there’s a lot more quality forwards on the market than 50 point d men who skate like a gazelle. That’s why I threw in the 2nd as well.

 

[Nylanderthal]

Carolina is not going to trade a young top pairing dman with a great contract for a UFA and 2nd line winger. And they gotta add to boot?


See above. This is actually even worse for Canes because they're adding Ferland too lol.

Pesce is literally Zaitsev but a few years younger. He’s not worth a ton more than a Johnsson, also what are we expecting Ferland to fetch at the TDL? Certainly not a ton considering the amount of quality ufa forwards on the trade market this year. Ferland for Gardiner ufa swap that meets each teams needs and Johnsson for Pesce. The second rounds out the value shift the two different sides might place on their own guys.
Gardiner is a 50 pt dman and here are less of those available this TDL than middle 6 forwards.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I was. You’re basically swapping ufas with Gardiner and Ferland, but Gardiner plays a position that your team isn’t the strongest at and could easily re-sign or be flipped at the deadline for futures if your management team decides to pull chute. Gardiner would fetch more than Ferland seeing that there’s a lot more quality forwards on the market than 50 point d men who skate like a gazelle. That’s why I threw in the 2nd as well.

No, you really aren't. Canes don't need a D back in any scenario, much less one that's a UFA. And the whole "You can just flip him for futures" is fan speak. The deadline is just 9 days away and I'm sure the Canes have had oars in the water on Ferland and probably had some substantial talks about him with other teams already. They'd not want to have to start the whole process over with Gardiner in "hopes" they could get a better return. It's a senseless move that makes no sense for the Canes.

IMO, they'd much rather keep Ferland or Trade Ferland for picks/prospects than make a move like you suggest.

 

[IBeL34f]

Pesce is literally Zaitsev but a few years younger*. He’s not worth a ton more than a Johnsson, also what are we expecting Ferland to fetch at the TDL? Certainly not a ton considering the amount of quality ufa forwards on the trade market this year. Ferland for Gardiner ufa swap that meets each teams needs and Johnsson for Pesce. The second rounds out the value shift the two different sides might place on their own guys.
Gardiner is a 50 pt dman and here are less of those available this TDL than middle 6 forwards.

*And currently way better in almost every statistical capacity.

 

[Mr Hockey]

I watched Pesce the entire game last night, he is a nice player and would look good alongside Rielly.

 

[TIGERCOOL]

Pesce is literally Zaitsev but a few years younger. He’s not worth a ton more than a Johnsson, also what are we expecting Ferland to fetch at the TDL? Certainly not a ton considering the amount of quality ufa forwards on the trade market this year. Ferland for Gardiner ufa swap that meets each teams needs and Johnsson for Pesce. The second rounds out the value shift the two different sides might place on their own guys.
Gardiner is a 50 pt dman and here are less of those available this TDL than middle 6 forwards.

this is way off the mark

 

[Leaffan1991]

Pesce and Ferland for Gardiner, AJ and Borgman

Zaitsev to Minnesota for Pateryn

 

[BertCorbeau]

Pesce and Ferland for Gardiner, AJ and Borgman

Zaitsev to Minnesota for Pateryn

Not nearly enough

 

[Nithoniniel]

I kind of doubt that Pesce is even available while Carolina is in the running.

 

[Peiskos]

I just hope the Leafs don't trade Kapanen, as all the articles seem to always mention his name when trade talks with Carolina come up, the guy is one of the clutchest players we have and his speed is ridiculous. He's the kind of player you want on your side in a playoff series.

I think the cost would be too steep for a guy like Pesce, its safer to wait for Sandin and Liljegren and keep our draft pics and other prospects.

 

[Hockey Crazy]

I just hope the Leafs don't trade Kapanen, as all the articles seem to always mention his name when trade talks with Carolina come up, the guy is one of the clutchest players we have and his speed is ridiculous. He's the kind of player you want on your side in a playoff series.

I think the cost would be too steep for a guy like Pesce, its safer to wait for Sandin and Liljegren and keep our draft pics and other prospects.

I think it depends on what his agent is telling dubas right now.

 

[ULF_55]

I just hope the Leafs don't trade Kapanen, as all the articles seem to always mention his name when trade talks with Carolina come up, the guy is one of the clutchest players we have and his speed is ridiculous. He's the kind of player you want on your side in a playoff series.

I think the cost would be too steep for a guy like Pesce, its safer to wait for Sandin and Liljegren and keep our draft pics and other prospects.

Leafs should demand a heck of a lot if someone comes looking for Kapanen.

There are very few players who can skate like Kapanen in this league, additionally, he is one of their more physical forwards, and can play the PK and only 22 years old.

 

[socko]

How does a 2nd pairing D-man like Pesce who doesn't even play for the Leafs get so much attention? Crazy.

 

[GoonieFace]

McIlleny for Nylander

 

[kb]

McIlleny for Nylander

Buffalo says no.

 

[go comets]

I don't see the canes making any moves, they are red hot since getting Nino.....

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

How does a 2nd pairing D-man like Pesce who doesn't even play for the Leafs get so much attention? Crazy.

I agree. Fans should stop asking for him.

 

[spockBokk]

Have seen some traction on this concept, so here goes:

Hamilton + Wallmark for Kadri + Brown.

I believe the cap is basically a wash with Brown in the deal. Very valuable players on both sides, but I think that it’s workable and addresses both team’s needs. CAR has the depth to absorb the loss of Hamilton; TOR could shift Nylander to C or let Wallmark take over.