News: Leafs cap - Dubas: We can, and we will keep all our 4 top F

[Tage2Tuch]

7 of the top 9 threads are about the leafs.

This is ridiculous

 

[MattMartin]

July?

 

[islandersdynasty]

I have no idea why people are acting like we can't fit this roster under the cap next season. We'll likely be unable to add any significant assets, that's true, but we can easily run our current roster for the next two seasons under the cap. We just have to apply all the bonuses to the cap this year. And we'll have to run a young dcore season after this one and hope for the best, but once Marleau and Horton's contracts are over, we're free from worries over the cap. Likely works out to something like this:

16.2 M cap space
-7M Nylander's new contract
+2M Matthews/Marner ELCs coming off the books
-11M Matthews' new contract
-8M Marner's new contract
-Leivo/Carrick/McBackup replaced by equal cost players
+7M letting Hainsey & Gardiner go to UFA
-2M Liljegren and Rosen/UFA replacing Hainsey/Gardiner
+1M Kapanen's ELC gone
-2-2.5M Kapanen's new contract
+2M cap raise
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Comes to 2M over the cap, but with Horton's 5.3M LTIR contract, we're still left with 3.3M in wiggle room.

So there's the math, add 1M each to our 3 young forwards if you're hoping they sign for more, but we're still good cap wise. This would likely be our 2019-2020 roster

[SPOIL]Marleau-Matthews-Nylander
Hyman-Tavares-Marner
Johnsson-Kadri-Kapanen
Grundstrom-Lindholm-Brown

Rielly-Zaitsev
Dermott-Liljegren
A mix of Rosen/Marincin/Holl/Borgman/UFA

So obviously in 2019-2020 our D is going to be weak but we'll be betting on it just needing to get the puck out of the zone to let the forwards do their work, so considering it's filled with PMDs it shouldn't be too harmful.
[/SPOIL]
So, tell me why I'm wrong and why we're destined for cap hell unless we trade Nylander/Marner to your team for peanuts

Very little room for improvement.

 

[blueberrie]

No one said you are in cap hell

Just that your window to win with this group of forwards will be very short

I would definitely agree. With Matthews AND Marner being 20 years old its clear that if they dont win the cup immediatley, they wont at all.

 

[The Best Leafs Ever]

No one said you are in cap hell

Just that your window to win with this group of forwards will be very short

Only 7 short years or maybe 8 or may be 10. Lol

 

[MR4]

Very little room for improvement.

For the next 2 seasons, I agree (except for any UFA willing to do a 1 year deal this year), but after Marleau & Horton's contract are done that's ~4M cap increasing with another 11.3M coming off. So it's essentially run this roster for the next two years and then make whatever major adjustments are needed after.

 

[Fantomas]

Today I learned a premier 27 year franchise centre (669 GP, 272G, 349A, 621P) career 0.93 point per game player...a 2 time Hart finalist isn't worth the going rate for #1 top tier centermen in the NHL.

Guess Eichel and Kopitar aren't worth 10 million either? or how about Toews at 10.5? or better yet McDavid at 12.5?

a) Eichel is going to be miles better, b) Kopitar was a Hart trophy candidate and a Selke winner, c) lol, no, d) sure.

 

[Fantomas]

# of times John Tavares made any of the first three NHL all-star teams: 1.

 

[Philadelphia Ducks]

Zaitsev on the top pairing, oh my.

 

[firstemperor]

Obviously they can fit what they ha e under the cap, but the problem everyone is saying is they can’t improve their defence with the amount they’re spending on forwards which is true. So they’ll likely have to trade Nylander if they want to upgrade their defence in any way

Not really, it's just that one year where Marleau's 3rd year becomes a problem adding anyone on defense. That's also excluding a rising cap or inflation- which is probable, but even conservatively, they can still slot in another replacement at a moderate cap-hit- as long as Dermott/Liljegren, and/or some other internal defensive options can make the jump on their ELC's (or simply upgrade on Gardiner).

It's not even remotely a doomsday scenario and upgrades can still be made with minimal cap consequences.

 

[Community]

38m for your top 4 forwards?

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Pittsburgh paid their top 4 forwards 30.25m when the cap was 71.4m.

The Leafs will be paying their top 4 forwards approx 37m (should be less) for an ~87m cap (conservative estimate).

That means Pittsburgh won twice with 42% of their cap tied up in four forwards and Toronto cant win at all with 42% of their cap tied up for their four?

 

[Burke the Legend]

7 of the top 9 threads are about the leafs.

This is ridiculous

gonna be a long summer on hfboards haha

 

[Critical13]

Zaitsev on the top pairing, oh my.

Ghost on the top pairing...brings back memories of his excellent coverage on this play:

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

sorry, only terrible threads with no thought put into them centered around bashing the leafs is allowed. This is too reasonable and pro-leaf

 

[Nithoniniel]

No one said you are in cap hell

Just that your window to win with this group of forwards will be very short

If you had bothered to read the OP, or one of the many articles on the topic, you would have realized that there is no issue keeping this group of forwards together for a long time, if they so wishes.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Leafs will be a powerhouse for the foreseeable future, just being able to run 2 elite franchise centres down the middle in Tavares-Matthews alone guarantees this in the same way it's guaranteed it for the Penguins with Crosby-Malkin. Interchange players on their wings its still going to be a great team. This is the beauty in having such incredible centre depth in this league.

Edmonton (Mcdavid, draisaitl), Islanders (Tavares, Barzal), Florida (Barkov, Trochek) says hello.
Need much more than great center depth to be a powerhouse.

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

Another Leaf thread.. Good grief this is getting absurd

Was estatic seeing JT sign with you guys but now hfboards is just becoming hard to look at now with the nonstop threads

Just 1 big thread would be better for all Leaf info

Right now, 9 of the top 10 threads from top down are Leaf topics... FML

 

[KCC]

Ghost on the top pairing...brings back memories of his excellent coverage on this play:

3 on 3. Nothing to see.

 

[Menzinger]

Very little room for improvement.

If by improvement you mean expensive support pieces from free agency, then absolutely that’s true.

Fortunately the side effect of this is it means they’ll have to give preference for younger, cheaper prospects for support roles, something hey probably should be doing anyways

 

[Jozay]

If they can get out of the Marleau contract, they'll be perfectly fine.

 

[Critical13]

Edmonton (Mcdavid, draisaitl), Islanders (Tavares, Barzal), Florida (Barkov, Trochek) says hello.
Need much more than great center depth to be a powerhouse.

Was 106 points not good enough of something?

 

[Community]

7 of the top 9 threads are about the leafs.

This is ridiculous

And only like 3 of them were started by Leaf fans...

 

[rent free]

That defense isn't very good. It's full of question marks. Zaitsev isn't a top pairing dman and most likely won't be one, liljegren probably won't be a top 4 defender by that time and dermott has the same concern. It would help if they had another top 4 blue liner in there but they would probably have to trade one of their big forwards to get one, which negates this entire idea in the first place.

 

[nbwingsfan]

The only one of those 4 who isn't a lock to be an NHLer (Re: They aren't already good enough to play in a top 9/top 4 role in the NHL if they never improved anymore than the level they are currently at) is Liljegren. And he probably has the highest ceiling out of all of them. Besides Liljegren, they've already "Panned Out" just cause they haven't played much at the NHL level yet does not mean it isn't easy to tell that they are already NHL level quality.

Also, Dermott is not a rookie, he was a rookie last season. And Kapanen's production is only low because of ice time/playing on the 4th line due to the extreme depth that the Leafs have on the wing.

Beyond that, they have enough depth on blueline prospects beyond them to safely project 2 bottom pairing caliber Dmen coming out of that group with certainty.

Sure they may be NHLers, remains to be seen if they turn out more than 4th line/bottom pairing D, which was my point.

None are anywhere close to proven which could lead to some serious depth issues.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Was 106 points not good enough of something?

Habs had 103 pts 1 year ago. Did you considered them a powerhouse team?