we really need some random guys to come out of nowhere and become stars. i cant think of a single second pick or later that we drafted that has become a legit star in the past ~10 years.
Prospect Info: Leafs Board Prospect Ranking Final Result + Rankings from last 4 years
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These rankings are always silly. It just amounts to "who's the freshest pick and who's doing better right now."
Evidence of this is Aulie over Gardiner and Gauthier over Colborne.
Evidence of this is Aulie over Gardiner and Gauthier over Colborne.
SprDaVE
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It's fairly middle of the pack-ish. The depth is great but the upside isn't quite there, especially upfront.
Not a whole lot of prospect pools have a ton of blue-chippers all across the board. There's always going to be weaknesses.
A top 6 of Rielly, Gauthier, Finn, Leivo, Percy and Biggs is nothing to sneeze at. Add under 25 players like Kadri, Gardiner and Colborne, I'd say it's solid. It could be a lot worst, a lot worst.
Mess
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For an organization that held the record for the longest playoff drought heading into last season. Which meant drafting opportunities among the non playoff teams year after year to have an average prospect pool with limited top end players, and filled with mainly depth players is not very good. IMO
There really isn't much more than that to prospect lists though. A lot of people seem to think this should be some sort of accurate list we can use to predict the future, but good prospects bust and afterthoughts become stars all the time. It's always going to be a crapshoot that's vaguely accurate at best and there's nothing wrong with that. You have to go in assuming there will be mistakes, because there always will be.
For the most part we are not that bad. When you consider Phaneuf, Kadri, Kessel, Gardiner, JVR, Lupul and others were all first round pics of ours and other teams we have some good talent.
This team lacks a true horse down the middle and a solid veteran d-man, not a super star but a solid player. I don't think we are that far off.
This team lacks a true horse down the middle and a solid veteran d-man, not a super star but a solid player. I don't think we are that far off.
Kadri was the only player drafted by us
To be fair, it was much harder to build from within with JFJ and CF trading the future away every single year. Burke basically took other teams disappointments and turned them into success stories.
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Outstanding job Schenner.
Interesting seeing perspectives of us fans and how they actually shake out over the years.
Interesting seeing perspectives of us fans and how they actually shake out over the years.
Mess
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Outside of the few inherited prospects and this current last draft, That list of prospects for the most part covers the Burke years as GM and includes all his body of work.
Time will tell how it works out and how many players find their way onto the Leafs.
It does show already the limited success the "free wallet' players had in Leafs future.
Time will tell how it works out and how many players find their way onto the Leafs.
It does show already the limited success the "free wallet' players had in Leafs future.
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I think the problem is, and I say this with no intent to offend, the average poster isn't too familiar with our prospects.
Also, there's not really a criteria on what to vote for. A majority of fans could vote a player who is about to make the NHL compared to a prospect with high potential that's farther away.
Mess
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Its interesting that Keith Aulie ranked 3rd & 4th in 2010 & 2011 was dealt for Carter Ashton ranked 10th & 11th in 2012 & 2013.
That doesn't appear as improving the prospect system.
2010 looks scary with Aulie #3, Luca Caputi #4, Brad Ross #5, Marcel Mueller #6, Jussi Rynnas #9 etc.
That doesn't appear as improving the prospect system.
2010 looks scary with Aulie #3, Luca Caputi #4, Brad Ross #5, Marcel Mueller #6, Jussi Rynnas #9 etc.
mix1home
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Kadri was the only player drafted by us
To be fair, it was much harder to build from within with JFJ and CF trading the future away every single year. Burke basically took other teams disappointments and turned them into success stories.
Most Burke trades were highway robberies with very few being fair and arguably only Versteeg and Aulie trades did not pay off big time (yet).
It's obvious that he was the man who traded bunch of scraps (excluding Beauchemin) for legitimate and young talent literally making this phoenix to raise from trashes.
5/6 of top two lines and 4 core Ds, enforcers and PK wizard. This team is still pretty much Burke's team and we should be thankful that we can look to the season with anticipation of good things (for a change).
Mess
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Looking at Leafs 2013 prospect ranking list with Gauthier #2, Colborne #4 and Biggs #5 and Dave Morrison recent comments suggesting these are future 3rd line type potential players it really emphasizes the lack of high end talent in the Leafs prospect pool.
Even if drafting is successful, your finding depth future players if everything works out with development.
Even if drafting is successful, your finding depth future players if everything works out with development.
7even
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Aulie was playing top pairing in the NHL and Gardiner was fresh out of college at the time of those rankings.
Gardiner had a phenomenal training camp and things changed pretty quickly, but nobody expected that. He was supposed to spend the year with the Marlies.
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What is scary is that those are the players Burke brought in believing he was filling the cupboards.
It was the Stalberg, Tlusty, Stralman, Mitchell etc all NHLers he was replacing them with.
Hopefully some of the later replacements have more success then the early batch of replacements.
zeke
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I remember arguing that leafs fans were seriously underrating gards and reims back in 2010. Of course, I was also guilty of overrating the likes of Olden and Stefanovich.
The D'Amigo overrank is understandable when you realize how much fans - and not just leafs fans - overrate WJC performance in general. It's just one short tournament, and should never be considered more important than the rest of the prospect's resume.
Let's do a re-rank of 2010 in retrospect:
1. Kadri - top-6 F / potential 1st liner
2. Gardiner - top-4 D / potential top-pair D
3. Reimer - starting goalie
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4. Frattin - 3rd line F / potential top-6
5. Scrivens - Backup Goalie
6. Aulie - Bottom Pair D / potential top-4
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7. D'Amigo
8. McKegg
9. Holzer
10. Granberg/Blacker
Three frontline NHLers at the top, 3 more NHLers after that, and then another 5 decent prospects after that. Not really bad at all, actually.
The D'Amigo overrank is understandable when you realize how much fans - and not just leafs fans - overrate WJC performance in general. It's just one short tournament, and should never be considered more important than the rest of the prospect's resume.
Let's do a re-rank of 2010 in retrospect:
1. Kadri - top-6 F / potential 1st liner
2. Gardiner - top-4 D / potential top-pair D
3. Reimer - starting goalie
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4. Frattin - 3rd line F / potential top-6
5. Scrivens - Backup Goalie
6. Aulie - Bottom Pair D / potential top-4
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7. D'Amigo
8. McKegg
9. Holzer
10. Granberg/Blacker
Three frontline NHLers at the top, 3 more NHLers after that, and then another 5 decent prospects after that. Not really bad at all, actually.
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Schenn - thx for the work you put in. I look forward to this each summer when there's downtime in the hockey!
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