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The poster doesn't think Dahlin is generational talent/on par with McDavid as talent.What?
The poster doesn't think Dahlin is generational talent/on par with McDavid as talent.What?
The poster doesn't think Dahlin is generational talent/on par with McDavid as talent.
Then why do you make a comparison between Kylington and Dahlin again if you're well aware of Kylington being tiers below Dahlin?My dude, I did not compare Dahlin to Kylington or Liljegren. I specifically say Dahlin is on a different level. But even then, Kylington was putting up historical production for his age at 16, against men in the SHL. People on HF (particularly Swedes!) were saying that Kylington was better at 16 than Victor Hedman, that if he were playing in NA everyone would know that he was better than Hanifin, etc.
Again, I don't need you to wax poetic about Dahlin. I'm already a huge fan. What I need is for you to answer my questions.
Would you take Dahlin over Matthews and Eichel, without question? Would you seriously consider taking Dahlin over McDavid? McDavid is generational and it's only been three years since his draft year. If Dahlin isn't better than McDavid, then he isn't generational.
No one seriously had Eichel over McDavid. The only people who did were writers trying to get clicks, talking heads trying to sound different, and US-biased posters. If Dahlin were generational, there would be absolutely no question from anyone that he would go over Svechnikov, unless you think Svech is better than Eichel.
You're acting like Dahlin is some obscure prospect that no one has ever seen before except Swedes. It's only 9-10 months until his draft day and he's the prospective #1 overall pick. If you think that he hasn't been scouted extensively by real professional scouts that work for scouting agencies and NHL teams and don't post on HFBoards dot com, you're nuts. Unless you think that you know better than the pros. I'm not saying scouts are perfect, but I trust the pros to know if a 17 year old is a generational prospect or not. If Dahlin were a generational prospect, we'd know. What would he have to do to he labeled generational? Be better than McDavid.
No offense, but yeah, I need to hear from someone other than Swedish HF Boards posters that Dahlin is generational. No offense, but as someone who lives in NA and literally cannot watch Dahlin on a regular basis, yeah, I do depend on others reports to form an opinion on him. And no offense, but it's awfully rich for you to get snide about me needing to do that and at the same time suggesting that I just listen to you because you're definitely right.
Shorthanded assist today.
Just looking at the box score, I don't see how it could be a SH goal. The last penalty ended at 17:30 and Dahlin got the assist at 19:02.Wasn't it even strength? Don't think I saw him on the PK. Good to see nonetheless.
He's not generational, McDavid is generational.
I'd say he's a franchise player, which is the tier that Eichel, Matthews, and Laine are in.
No, but so far in the history of the game its only really been Canadians who have consistently been the best player in the league, outside of arguments for Ovi, Jagr, and Hasek.Who cares, only canadians can be generational anyways
He's not generational, McDavid is generational.
I'd say he's a franchise player, which is the tier that Eichel, Matthews, and Laine are in.
Wasn't it even strength? Don't think I saw him on the PK. Good to see nonetheless.
My dude, I did not compare Dahlin to Kylington or Liljegren. I specifically say Dahlin is on a different level. But even then, Kylington was putting up historical production for his age at 16, against men in the SHL. People on HF (particularly Swedes!) were saying that Kylington was better at 16 than Victor Hedman, that if he were playing in NA everyone would know that he was better than Hanifin, etc.
Again, I don't need you to wax poetic about Dahlin. I'm already a huge fan. What I need is for you to answer my questions.
Would you take Dahlin over Matthews and Eichel, without question? Would you seriously consider taking Dahlin over McDavid? McDavid is generational and it's only been three years since his draft year. If Dahlin isn't better than McDavid, then he isn't generational.
No one seriously had Eichel over McDavid. The only people who did were writers trying to get clicks, talking heads trying to sound different, and US-biased posters. If Dahlin were generational, there would be absolutely no question from anyone that he would go over Svechnikov, unless you think Svech is better than Eichel.
You're acting like Dahlin is some obscure prospect that no one has ever seen before except Swedes. It's only 9-10 months until his draft day and he's the prospective #1 overall pick. If you think that he hasn't been scouted extensively by real professional scouts that work for scouting agencies and NHL teams and don't post on HFBoards dot com, you're nuts. Unless you think that you know better than the pros. I'm not saying scouts are perfect, but I trust the pros to know if a 17 year old is a generational prospect or not. If Dahlin were a generational prospect, we'd know. What would he have to do to he labeled generational? Be better than McDavid.
No offense, but yeah, I need to hear from someone other than Swedish HF Boards posters that Dahlin is generational. No offense, but as someone who lives in NA and literally cannot watch Dahlin on a regular basis, yeah, I do depend on others reports to form an opinion on him. And no offense, but it's awfully rich for you to get snide about me needing to do that and at the same time suggesting that I just listen to you because you're definitely right.
Dahlin has a good chance ending up better than Erik Karlsson and Erik Karlsson is a better player than McDavid. I'd take him over McD if they were in the same draft.
That's just delusional. Dahlin has proved nothing yet. For him to reach EK or even get close to where McDavid is today is a long way from certain. I am fan of Dahlin, he grew up playing for my hometown team so I have heard about him for quite some time, but let's not get carried away.
You want a frank answer? Not be a defenseman. Defensemen are much less easy to project. Two years in a row, highly hyped Swedish defensemen in Kylington and Liljegren have fallen hard. Now I'm a big believer in Dahlin, he's clearly on another level from Kylington and Liljegren at the same age, and I would be beyond shocked if he fell out of the top-2 (I would be shocked if he weren't selected #1, too), but the fact of the matter is this: the projection of 16 and 17 year old defensemen is much, much less linear than that of 16 and 17 year old forwards. There is a good reason why teams shy away from defensemen at 1st overall.
But let's keep going. What does Dahlin need to do to be considered generational? He needs to be above and beyond Svechnikov, for one; prospect people seem to be about 60-40 in Dahlin's favor as of now. Then he has to be above and beyond Eichel and Matthews, by consensus. Then there has to be a serious debate over whether people would take him over McDavid.
I am well-aware that Dahlin suffers from underexposure due to playing in Europe. But if he were as good as McDavid, people would be talking about it in those specific terms. There would, at the very, very least, be clickbait articles with the title "Is Dahlin as good as Connor McDavid?". There aren't.
My dude, I did not compare Dahlin to Kylington or Liljegren. I specifically say Dahlin is on a different level. But even then, Kylington was putting up historical production for his age at 16, against men in the SHL. People on HF (particularly Swedes!) were saying that Kylington was better at 16 than Victor Hedman, that if he were playing in NA everyone would know that he was better than Hanifin, etc.
Again, I don't need you to wax poetic about Dahlin. I'm already a huge fan. What I need is for you to answer my questions.
Would you take Dahlin over Matthews and Eichel, without question? Would you seriously consider taking Dahlin over McDavid? 1. McDavid is generational and it's only been three years since his draft year. If Dahlin isn't better than McDavid, then he isn't generational.
2. No one seriously had Eichel over McDavid. The only people who did were writers trying to get clicks, talking heads trying to sound different, and US-biased posters. 3. If Dahlin were generational, there would be absolutely no question from anyone that he would go over Svechnikov, unless you think Svech is better than Eichel.
You're acting like Dahlin is some obscure prospect that no one has ever seen before except Swedes. It's only 9-10 months until his draft day and he's the prospective #1 overall pick. If you think that he hasn't been scouted extensively by real professional scouts that work for scouting agencies and NHL teams and don't post on HFBoards dot com, you're nuts. Unless you think that you know better than the pros. I'm not saying scouts are perfect, but I trust the pros to know if a 17 year old is a generational prospect or not. If Dahlin were a generational prospect, we'd know. What would he have to do to he labeled generational? Be better than McDavid.
No offense, but yeah, I need to hear from someone other than Swedish HF Boards posters that Dahlin is generational. No offense, but as someone who lives in NA and literally cannot watch Dahlin on a regular basis, yeah, I do depend on others reports to form an opinion on him. And no offense, but it's awfully rich for you to get snide about me needing to do that and at the same time suggesting that I just listen to you because you're definitely right.
We don't even use the label generational in Sweden, can't we just skip that discussion and appriciate him for the player he is?
The assist was on a 5-on-5 goal.
And Dahlin could have had another assist from earlier in the game if Widerström had finished better.
True, thats not a label we use in Sweden about players. Is this talk about "generational player" a north america thing?
2. This is also wrong as well. A significant minority had Eichel as number one.
There's a divide between generational players such as Howe, Orr, Gretzky, and Lemieux (with a bunch of debatable guys after such as Beliveau, Bobby Hull, Richard, Hasek, Jagr, Crosby, and Ovi) and generational prospects which is just Lemieux, Lindros, Crosby, and McDavid. It's not a lock a generational prospect becomes a generational player (See Lindros). I'd say the main thing that is required is an extended run where the player is viewed as the best player in the league, which tends to be reflected through Hart and Pearson/Lindsey trophies which hurts Lidstrom's case (not a single Hart top 3 finish). Others would include team accomplishments which can hurt Jagr (was never a top 3 player on a cup winner) and Ovi.At least in only applies to canadian players. If you read those threads, they (some) only list Orr, Mario, Wayne, Lindros, Crosby and McDavid as generational players. They tend to forget other players with different nationalities like Jagr, Hasek, Lidström etc.
The definitions varies a lot more, though ^^
McDavid was 10 for 10 in the final McKenzie poll, and Eichel stopped being a serious challenger for #2 after the WJC. Eichel had 3 votes to start the year in the poll, but by January it was 10 for 10 McDavid. I don't think a single NHL team had Eichel above McDavid.1. That contradicts itself. You mean he would need to be as good as Mcdavid, not better, to be considered generational.
2. This is also wrong as well. A significant minority had Eichel as number one.
3. 90% of the scouts have Dahlin over Svechnikov, thats more than enough to be consensus.
ITS AWFULLY RICH OF YOU TO WRITE A POST WITH WRONG FACTS IN ALMOST EVERY PARAGRAPH.
And to contribute to the thread, Dahlin is a stud that was even considered for the Swedish national team in the WHC 2017.