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People will hate to hear it, but he’s in the same tier as McDavid
Why would McDavid need to win a team award and a Conn Smythe, something Kucherov has never won, to separate himself from a player he’s performed substantially better than?Bell of his rings interfere to hear you.
McDavid is great but still needs to win SC and CS to separate himself.
TBH? Same reason Marino needed a SB ring. I have little doubt that McDavid will win a cup at some point. But what top ten all-time NHL greats never won a cup? Just curious. Not winning it all is definitely a heavily weighted mark against you. I am sure he will make this post obsolete but...but...he's gotta win a cup or 2 or 3 to be top 5Why would McDavid need to win a team award and a Conn Smythe, something Kucherov has never won, to separate himself from a player he’s performed substantially better than?
2017-18: McD 108, Kuch 100. Kucherov was leading before letting off the gas and getting passed at the end of the season. Clearly they were competitive this year.
2020-21: Kucherov missed the entire season due to injury. McDavid went beast mode this year so Kucherov certainly would have had his work cut out for him, but considering the incredible postseason Kuch put up while playing through multiple injuries I don’t think we can rule it out. Still, it’s a no-contest between them.
2021-22: Kucherov missed almost half the season due to injury. McDavid scored 123, while Kucherov in the games he did play was pacing for 120. Again, we’ll never know what would have happened had Kuch been able to stay healthy, but clearly he was playing on the same level as McDavid this season.
That’s a bit of a stretch. He’s had the best season this year and should be the MVP, but c’mon man, look at the numbers since McDavid came into the league:
McDavid GP 644 G335 A647 Pts 982 +/- +151
Kucherov GP 591 G282 A508 Pts 790 +/- +94
And keep in mind these are all prime years for Kuch with Vasilevsky in goal and Hedman on D. For some of McDavid’s years listed he’s still a teenager with Cam Talbot (decent) as his goalie and Andrej Sekera his best D. The fact his +/- is tha far ahead despite that has to tell a bit of a story.
+/- means absolutely jack
P.S. McDavid being better on arrival than Kucherov who took a few years to get going is a big clue who is the better talent and player.
Better than McDavid this season.
Why would McDavid need to win a team award and a Conn Smythe, something Kucherov has never won, to separate himself from a player he’s performed substantially better than?
Yeah he doesn't need one, he should just golf early now and prepare for a 160 point season next year. Who wants a Cup anyways, just lose in the 1st round, put up 2PPG and pretend like that's good enough.
I dunno. Heard most of this site bitching and moaning that Draisaitl shouldn’t win a Hart because he was in the negatives. And he did win. Because people here are stupid.+/- means absolutely jack
The funny part is you would actually interrupt him scoring 2pts/game (and losing) as him not wanting a Cup lol.
"That guy who plays amazing doesn't want to win, he only cares about playing amazing!"
Playing amazing hockey is not how you win apparently
The team has lost despite him. He's not the reason they lose.Has he won?
Has he won?
So you think the fact that McDavid, (an individual), hasn't won a 32 team winner take all tournament so far in his 8 seasons that it means he doesn't want to win?
That is some interesting logic.
Because its a huge important career mark. No matter about team award.Why would McDavid need to win a team award and a Conn Smythe, something Kucherov has never won, to separate himself from a player he’s performed substantially better than?
Kucherov with the most assists in a season ever by a winger is a legit NHL record. I don't like the fella but that is a pretty major achievement that deserves recognition. Still has several games left to improve upon it by a good amount, too. Curious to see if there'll be a marked effort to get him all the way up to 100 assists now that their playoff berth is virtually sealed. If he manages to get into the 100 club that'd make McDavid's pursuit lose some of its value for sure.
Kucherov now 1-11—12 in his last 7 and has 7 games left to get 12 assists.
McDavid now 3-15—18 in his last 8 and has 8 games left. Three more assists will be a non-issue, other than that the AR race is on but we'll see if he'll seriously goes for it during the final stretch.
Yeah Mario Lemieux, always getting lost in the shuffle. Barely hear anything about the guy.Similar to how Lemieux should really be built up more as a player but because he played during the same timeframe as Gretzky he gets lost in the shuffle a bit.
Either this is a fluke for both of them or we're going back to the 80's with inflation.