Kraken 2024 draft

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Like to see the Kraken continue to draft Forwards with their 1st Rounder then address Defense in the 2nd round with one of their picks(Kraken and Rangers)Like to see Tij Iginla fall to the Kraken at numero otto(8)
 

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Like to see the Kraken continue to draft Forwards with their 1st Rounder then address Defense in the 2nd round with one of their picks(Kraken and Rangers)Like to see Tij Iginla fall to the Kraken at numero otto(8)
Any reason why you want to go forward with the 1st round pick? Do you not like the defensemen? I am not opposed to Tij, but I think we need someone like Catton more than him.
 

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Senneke and Catton both should be excellent choices at our pick. It really comes down to what you are looking for in a prospect. Catton has one of the highest end playmaking, if not the highest, in this draft. Senneke is a bigger kid who could potentially become a PF type and is more of a goal scorer. The fact that Catton has elite playmaking certainly makes me lean more towards drafting him. Someone like him could be a perfect compliment to Wright.

FWIW I hear Sennecke characterized just as often as a high end playmaker. More often a playmaker than a goal scorer. I think Catton is obviously the best junior playmaker. He's incredible. The question is about their frames - if Catton gets pushed to the perimeter more in the pros (or injured), and if Sennecke's extra five inches (is he 6'4 now?) allows him to buy time with the puck more. I could be persuaded to go Catton there, but thinking Sennecke now.

Would Calgary really pass on Iginla? I think that would be a real controversial thing to do, especially if they are going to pick a forward anyway. How would they justify that to their fans? I mean, fans aren't normally a consideration, but in this case I think passing on Iginla to pick Helenius would be seen as a betrayal that a lot of Flames fans would take very personally.

I don't think they'd pass on Iginla for Helenius, but if their scouts aren't interested in Iginla, then there are ways to do it. You leak beforehand that you're not taking Iginla, to take some of the sting off before the draft. If they don't leak, I'd assume they're taking him.

Like to see the Kraken continue to draft Forwards with their 1st Rounder then address Defense in the 2nd round with one of their picks(Kraken and Rangers)Like to see Tij Iginla fall to the Kraken at numero otto(8)

Depending on who is there, I think this is a good strategy. A bunch of these D in the top group are not really top pair guys. You can get 2nd pair D-men in the 2nd round, if you take enough of them. We might have just done that with Ryker Evans.

I'd put Dickinson in that category - he's more of a Darnell Nurse type than a real top pair D. He can take advantage of offensive opportunities, but he can't create them.

Silayev I think is a #2/#4 complement - where you could maybe see him covering defensively for a great offensive D, but either way I don't see him being the best guy on a good pairing.

So those are good players but nothing you can't get later, with a little luck.


The other D are a little more interesting.

Levshunov has upside but has a long way to go, very sloppy right now. People are assuming a lot thinking he'll grow completely out of it. There are D in this league who would be great if they could clean up their games but some never do. I'm not sure if I'd take Levshunov at #8.

Yakemchuk also has a long way to go but his upside is higher than Levshunov, high enough for me to risk it at #8.

Parekh is a special player, but a lot of bust risk with how often he gets thrown around, and a long way to go to defend acceptably. I'm not taking him top ten.

Buium I'd take at 3 or 4, I'd cry tears of joy if we can get him at #8.
 
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Any reason why you want to go forward with the 1st round pick? Do you not like the defensemen? I am not opposed to Tij, but I think we need someone like Catton more than him.
Tij can play Centre and LWing not sure Catton would be great in numero tre centre besides the Kraken have a tonne of youngsters that can fill that role
 

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Tij can play Centre and LWing not sure Catton would be great in numero tre centre besides the Kraken have a tonne of youngsters that can fill that role
What would Tij play? 3C? Or would you move Wright to wing?

Catton may or may not make it as a C in the NHL but his playmaking is elite and would be a great compliment to someone like Wright who is a shoot first forward.

What about the D-men? Do you not like any of them at 8?
 

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Here's another scouting report on Yakemchuk. He seems like a tantalizing possibility with a huge offensive upside, but he may also be a three or four year project because of his undisciplined decision making.

 
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What would Tij play? 3C? Or would you move Wright to wing?

Catton may or may not make it as a C in the NHL but his playmaking is elite and would be a great compliment to someone like Wright who is a shoot first forward.

What about the D-men? Do you not like any of them at 8?
Tij would play top 6 in time at LWing...I like Dickinson and not much else...not at 8 but watch the Kraken take a D-man at 8
 

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Tij would play top 6 in time at LWing...I like Dickinson and not much else...not at 8 but watch the Kraken take a D-man at 8
I am not against Tij and I think he will likely be available at 8 but I don't think his ceiling is as high as Catton. Dickinson and Tij are both "safer" options. I see Dickinson's floor as a top-4 D and Tij's floor as a 3rd line winger.

I would rather take a swing at the likes of Yakemchuk, Catton, etc. who have much higher ceilings.
 

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Here's another scouting report on Yakemchuk. He seems like a tantalizing possibility with a huge offensive upside, but he may also be a three or four year project because of his undisciplined decision making.


The ceiling is high on this guy. And I would love to have a feisty D-man who is just not there for his feistiness but also very effective in a top-pairing role. Yakemchuk has the tools to make it. I think discipline can be taught and will/should get better as he gets older.

I don't see him busting in the sense that I do think he will have an NHL career, even if it is a bottom-pairing D-man. Also, he will be 20 before the start of the 2025-26 season so could move to the AHL after his D+1 year.
 

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Here's another scouting report on Yakemchuk. He seems like a tantalizing possibility with a huge offensive upside, but he may also be a three or four year project because of his undisciplined decision making.



I think Yakemchuk can be really good defensively in his zone, maybe great. He's very very strong and boxes out a lot of ice.

There's just one thing that makes me nervous with Yakemchuk and it's his first steps back defending the rush. He really can get burned. I'm not sure how fixable that is.
 

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I am not against Tij and I think he will likely be available at 8 but I don't think his ceiling is as high as Catton. Dickinson and Tij are both "safer" options. I see Dickinson's floor as a top-4 D and Tij's floor as a 3rd line winger.

I would rather take a swing at the likes of Yakemchuk, Catton, etc. who have much higher ceilings.
The thing about Tij is he comes from great stock and is going to be a surefire Star,his papa Jerome will make sure of that...and maybe in 2026 the Kraken can draft Joe Iginla(RWinger)
 

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The Hockey Writers mock draft includes some contentious choices. Greentree at #11 versus Helenius at #19 and Silayev, Buium and Yakemchuk going #12, #13 and #14, respectively. I can see Yakemchuk maybe dropping that far, though I wouldn't bet on it, but I can't see the other two falling out of the top ten.

Lindstrom would look wonderful in a Kraken uniform, a no brainer if he were available at #8, but there is no chance he drops to us.
 

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The Hockey Writers mock draft includes some contentious choices. Greentree at #11 versus Helenius at #19 and Silayev, Buium and Yakemchuk going #12, #13 and #14, respectively. I can see Yakemchuk maybe dropping that far, though I wouldn't bet on it, but I can't see the other two falling out of the top ten.

Lindstrom would look wonderful in a Kraken uniform, a no brainer if he were available at #8, but there is no chance he drops to us.

The Hockey Writers has some smart people but they tend not to be very plugged in. I prefer sources that talk to actual NHL scouts and have their finger on the pulse of the league in that way.

About every week this time of year, Corey Pronman, Chris Peters, and Scott Wheeler have an episode on the Athletic Hockey Show. Pronman in particular is always citing scouts.

For instance they said last week that because Greentree got pushed down the lineup at the U18s, and a lot of concerns about his speed, that it hurt his draft stock. And Cole Eiserman continues to frustrate everyone, he scored a lot a the U18s but didn't do much in the big games, it didn't stop his stock from continuing to drop.

Edit: I happen to be just listening to today's episode while I'm cooking, and Eiserman was mid-first for all three of the scouts on the Athletic podcast.
 
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Any reason why you want to go forward with the 1st round pick? Do you not like the defensemen? I am not opposed to Tij, but I think we need someone like Catton more than him.
Another thing I like about Tij Iginla is the fact he won't be a wide eyed kid when he gets to the NHL...his Papa will have shown,and advised him on what to expect and all the pitfalls too...in some ways when Tij gets to the NHL he'll have been a seasoned Veteran
 

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Another thing I like about Tij Iginla is the fact he won't be a wide eyed kid when he gets to the NHL...his Papa will have shown,and advised him on what to expect and all the pitfalls too...in some ways when Tij gets to the NHL he'll have been a seasoned Veteran
Or a spoiled diva with a sense of entitlement.

I don't think that is him, I would love to pick him, but the bloodline argument is iffy at best. Look at the difference in the two Nylander kids for example. Lots of "sons" get drafted high for bloodline and totally crap out. It took Reinhart years to figure it out and he was just like Iginla.
 

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Or a spoiled diva with a sense of entitlement.

I don't think that is him, I would love to pick him, but the bloodline argument is iffy at best. Look at the difference in the two Nylander kids for example. Lots of "sons" get drafted high for bloodline and totally crap out. It took Reinhart years to figure it out and he was just like Iginla.
I'd bet that young Tij turns out to be the real deal and a force in time
 

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RayMartyniukTotems

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Or a spoiled diva with a sense of entitlement.

I don't think that is him, I would love to pick him, but the bloodline argument is iffy at best. Look at the difference in the two Nylander kids for example. Lots of "sons" get drafted high for bloodline and totally crap out. It took Reinhart years to figure it out and he was just like Iginla.
I wouldn't give up on young Alexander Nylander just yet he put up some decent to good numbers in Columbus once he got outta Pittsburgh...was given "new" life sometimes a move is just as good as a "holiday" and opportunity is everything sometimes

The Hockey Writers has some smart people but they tend not to be very plugged in. I prefer sources that talk to actual NHL scouts and have their finger on the pulse of the league in that way.

About every week this time of year, Corey Pronman, Chris Peters, and Scott Wheeler have an episode on the Athletic Hockey Show. Pronman in particular is always citing scouts.

For instance they said last week that because Greentree got pushed down the lineup at the U18s, and a lot of concerns about his speed, that it hurt his draft stock. And Cole Eiserman continues to frustrate everyone, he scored a lot a the U18s but didn't do much in the big games, it didn't stop his stock from continuing to drop.

Edit: I happen to be just listening to today's episode while I'm cooking, and Eiserman was mid-first for all three of the scouts on the Athletic podcast.
Probably Eiserman's 1 dimensionality scares people cause if he's not scoring and not on the PP 1 or PP 2 what does he bring
 

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The Hockey Writers mock draft includes some contentious choices. Greentree at #11 versus Helenius at #19 and Silayev, Buium and Yakemchuk going #12, #13 and #14, respectively. I can see Yakemchuk maybe dropping that far, though I wouldn't bet on it, but I can't see the other two falling out of the top ten.

Lindstrom would look wonderful in a Kraken uniform, a no brainer if he were available at #8, but there is no chance he drops to us.
Lindstrom's injury for 2023-24 derailed over half the season so a huge Red Flag there and when he came back wasn't as dominating as when the season started...rather the Kraken take Dickinson or if he's gone then Tij Iginla...besides if the Kraken draft Lindstrom where does he play...Beniers and Wright lock up top 2 Centre spots for the next 10-15 years
 

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Probably Eiserman's 1 dimensionality scares people cause if he's not scoring and not on the PP 1 or PP 2 what does he bring

9 goals at the U18s, and a +0.

That's on a Team USA where the top players are all +14 +15.

besides if the Kraken draft Lindstrom where does he play...Beniers and Wright lock up top 2 Centre spots for the next 10-15 years

Who cares, if you have a beastly power forward he'll help you on any line, any position.
 

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9 goals at the U18s, and a +0.

That's on a Team USA where the top players are all +14 +15.



Who cares, if you have a beastly power forward he'll help you on any line, any position.
I'm mocking Eiserman to slip to the Sharks with the Penguins pick at 12...bet Celebrini will like that...a couple a good/great young "guns"!!!
 

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Lindstrom's injury for 2023-24 derailed over half the season so a huge Red Flag there and when he came back wasn't as dominating as when the season started...rather the Kraken take Dickinson or if he's gone then Tij Iginla...besides if the Kraken draft Lindstrom where does he play...Beniers and Wright lock up top 2 Centre spots for the next 10-15 years
Some commentators have suggested that Lindstrom could play wing. I don't think there's a problem.

I'm mocking Eiserman to slip to the Sharks with the Penguins pick at 12...bet Celebrini will like that...a couple a good/great young "guns"!!!
It will be interesting to see. The Sharks are going to have fun with that 14th pick. Lot of ways to go and they could get a very good player.
 
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I wouldn't give up on young Alexander Nylander just yet he put up some decent to good numbers in Columbus once he got outta Pittsburgh...was given "new" life sometimes a move is just as good as a "holiday" and opportunity is everything sometimes
He's 26.

Hey has skill, just like his brother in many ways, but he really lacks compete and loves to float. He is exactly the kind of player you don't want, but my point was really that bloodlines mean very little.

I'd bet that young Tij turns out to be the real deal and a force in time
I don't disagree. I would pick him if he's still there. Greentree would be my second choice for players who might not be picked yet.
 

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