Boom Boom Apathy
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AhosDatsyukian
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I have a weird feeling that Koko is gonna be an out of left field SC Finals hero for us in the next 3-5 years. Like getting 2 or 3 game winning goals in the series.
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I stand corrected. I know I saw him with Jarvis out there a lot and Necas has been with Aho, so I assumed the other winger was Svech
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I've been and remain skeptical of the upside of Koko. But I do still love a lot of what he does on the ice. Someday, he's going to have to turn a bit more of it into production. Hopefully, it's just the pressure of the new situation and presumably higher level of focus from other teams and he'll figure it out.
Negan4Coach
Fantastic and Stochastic
Call me old fashioned, but I like players who do the right thing when they actually HAVE the puck.
As far as this "advanced metrics" claptrap- didn't the Bill Peter's entire team have enough positive data points to give Steve Kornacki himself a freedom boner?
Daeavorn
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Im willing to see how he plays as the season goes on, its still early and there is no need yet for us to make a trade or move anyone.
If he still has 10 pts in january, yeah maybe time to re evaluate his position.
Navin R Slavin
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I believe this was a preseason game. I was there with my nephew and I told him "you just saw something you'll probably never see again."
Svechhammer
THIS is hockey?
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Advanced Stats showed that Bill Peters was a shit coach. The second we got Brindy in, those fancystats started playing out to the point where the same team blossomed to where we are now.
Boom Boom Apathy
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I could be wrong, but I thought it was regular season. And IIRC, the Canes came back and won it convincingly.
Look how many people are in the stands.
EDIT: A number of comments in the YouTube video state the Canes came back and won it 7-2. I think it was Oct 12, 2005 based on that which was the 4th game of the season.
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bleedgreen
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Meh….I can see some slanting towards playing more D but at the same time it doesn’t look like he’s doing that. In fact he’s jumping into every play he can get involved with. If you want to make an argument for him you could say he’s doing a good job driving a lane and taking someone with him which opens up the play for the other guys….on the occasions he catches up to the play.
He isn’t “cheating” defensively he’s doing the basic requirements and then trying to catch up when he doesn’t have the wheels. Svech isn’t that fast either. Nobody’s catching up with Necas.
Koko is in the o zone, he’s trying. The plays he’s a part of don’t end up in the net.
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My memory was that Peters from the get go had us playing a structured system that catered to puck possession and smothering quick gapping defense that made us more competitive and was considered very progressive around the league. That we were an analytics darling kind of team that was going to be good once we our kids grew up and we added more skill.
The only thing we were getting credit for the first couple of years of Peters was being a well coached team. He inherited an AHL squad.
Yeah, and if my memory serves, his major downfall was shit goaltending. When everything looked ready to hit, he got Darling-ed. Rod was also on track to get Darling-ed, but a fortuitous Darling injury led the team to claiming McBackup and that steadiness in goal, along with Mrazek, led to the breathing room the utes needed to get their legs in the second half of Rod's first season. If that preseason injury to Darling doesn't happen, then we have a Mrazek/Darling tandem for that whole year and I think that is probably enough to kill the momentum the guys had from January on.
bleedgreen
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That was very much the case. We were in the hunt down the stretch but it seemed every single game we gave up a bad goal we couldn’t recover from. The really bad ones were Darling but Ward was done too. We didn’t have the depth to overcome this yet. That last season had a rough ending but the blueprint was in place and there was an obvious trend going on. Peters was being viewed as a very good coach and the team was seen as being perfect for the style, up to that season anyways. The addition of Fleury while letting go of the vets Liles and Hainsey put us back a step growth wise. Adding Hanifin one year wasn’t that bad but when they added Fleury the next one was too much. Our only real strength was that D and as a rebuilding team we needed to trade off vets for picks but it cut a leg off our strength to bring in two very young rookies when Slavin and Pesce were still young themselves. Fleury hung in but Hanifin really cracked that last season. RF wasn’t doing Peters any favors there but it made sense in the grand scheme of things.
Boom Boom Apathy
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Ward was done that last season and his numbers were just so-so, but the Canes were 23-14-4 with Ward in net and Darling was 13-21-7. So playing at a 100 point pace with an over the hill Ward and 66 point pace with Darling in net.
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I was going to come here to say the next person that bumps this thread is getting a foot in their ass, but then I saw Lempo’s post and I should know better by now.
I will say he looks less like a baby deer than he did last year, I think it’s fair to say his skating has improved, and that’s a positive sign as to me that was the thing that could’ve led to catastrophe (meaning, the thing that put his “floor” as “not an NHLer”).
I’ve been seeing 2 things that concern me with regard to his offensive potential this year:
1) it seems like pucks simply do not stay on his stick. When he receives passes there’s a significant bounce off his stick, he never seems to receive them and immediately have it under control. That has made being a part of high-skill scoring plays with linemates like Svech and Necas difficult, of course (and it’s fitting that his only goal of the year was him essentially losing control of a pass to him and the puck finding its way into the net directly from that bobble). @bleedgreen mentioned he’s playing with a different blade this year, maybe that’s to blame, as I can’t recall that really being an issue with him last year. Regardless, he’s looked more like a soccer player with the puck this year, rather than having the puck cleanly in his control, and that’s a problem.
2) blind passes to no one. This happens like once a game, it’s wild. Usually on the PP and almost always loses us possession in the offensive zone. I’m not smart enough about hockey to determine whether it’s the fault of someone who’s supposed to be there, or it’s KK panicking and playing a puck into space, but my money would be on the latter given that if it was a teammate who’s supposed to be there we’d also see successful versions of these blind passes from time to time when the teammate is in fact where he’s supposed to be.
I think at this point he’s fairly safely a 3C in his career moving forward. He will have to fix the hands before he becomes a top 6er. The lack of shooting concerns me less - I think fixing the hands will lead to being involved in more high danger opportunities and the shots will follow.
I’ve been seeing 2 things that concern me with regard to his offensive potential this year:
1) it seems like pucks simply do not stay on his stick. When he receives passes there’s a significant bounce off his stick, he never seems to receive them and immediately have it under control. That has made being a part of high-skill scoring plays with linemates like Svech and Necas difficult, of course (and it’s fitting that his only goal of the year was him essentially losing control of a pass to him and the puck finding its way into the net directly from that bobble). @bleedgreen mentioned he’s playing with a different blade this year, maybe that’s to blame, as I can’t recall that really being an issue with him last year. Regardless, he’s looked more like a soccer player with the puck this year, rather than having the puck cleanly in his control, and that’s a problem.
2) blind passes to no one. This happens like once a game, it’s wild. Usually on the PP and almost always loses us possession in the offensive zone. I’m not smart enough about hockey to determine whether it’s the fault of someone who’s supposed to be there, or it’s KK panicking and playing a puck into space, but my money would be on the latter given that if it was a teammate who’s supposed to be there we’d also see successful versions of these blind passes from time to time when the teammate is in fact where he’s supposed to be.
I think at this point he’s fairly safely a 3C in his career moving forward. He will have to fix the hands before he becomes a top 6er. The lack of shooting concerns me less - I think fixing the hands will lead to being involved in more high danger opportunities and the shots will follow.
Navin R Slavin
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His major downfall was that he had an owner that couldn't be expected to spend reliably, so no matter how good it seemed like we were about to be, we'd have one or two holes that an NHL team shouldn't have, and we'd lose because of it.
Also, apparently he was kind of an abusive asshole, who no one seems to want to employ currently.
I have a feeling the shelf life on this one is gonna be long. It's a hot and constant topic on social. I hope he's ignoring it as he probably is feeling enough pressure as it is.
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WreckingCrew
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Goaltending and lets not forget that the team couldn't score to save their lives...doesn't matter if you're goalie stops 18 of 20 shots when you can't score more than 1 on 40 against AHL tenders. For reference, between 2014-18 while he was coach, over that WHOLE time, Canes were 8% shooting...just edging out Sabers 7.9% for worst in the league.
This may have been a talent issue, but Peters's strategy appeared to be taking as many shots as possible rather than making the tough pass for an easier shot.
With better shooters, Peters's strategy might make sense. The Canes did not have those shooters. For the most part, they still don't.
Svechhammer
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Montreal hands are going to get sore if they keep jerking it like this
tarheelhockey
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This is one of my go-to points of evaluation for young players. Receiving a pass smoothly, especially within a game context, requires a combination of skills. You have to anticipate the play, read the puck off the other guy's stick, get in position to receive it properly, show stick skills in making the reception, and transition everything (vision, hands, feet) into the next move. If any part of that is out of kilter, you've got a problem with the player.
Vision, hands, feet are the fundamentals of the game. It's no surprise that Kotkaniemi's fundamentals are lacking, that's the entire reason he's under such a spotlight as a #3 pick. But you want to see this stuff working itself out pretty quickly. Age 23 is coming up pretty soon and that's about the time that you see improvement start to slow down.
CanesUltimate11
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It's hilariously sad that they seem to care more about him now that he is off their team then they ever did with him on the team.
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The people here that are obsessed with Montreal fans being obsessed with Koko are just as bad as the Montreal fans that are obsessed with Koko.
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No players named after ninja turtles' weapons. I don't make the rules.
tarheelhockey
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No players named after ninja turtles' weapons. I don't make the rules.
So much for my hope the Canes might draft Brett Nunchuk.
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