Kingston Frontenacs 2023-24 Off-Season Thread (Part 3)

[ScoutLife4]

Potentially but I think they may try and string together 1 more run as it’s misas draft year and they’ll fill the stands every game like that especially if they win the Mem cup.

They probably don’t have too many great assets but they have guys like Willis, hay, parekh, Misa, mangone, oke returning and that’s a good core as it is. Look at north bay- a lot including myself thought this would be a rebuilding year and they’ve had a successful season. Time will tell.


What teams do sometimes is overpay on a player like McCoy who you know will be coming back the year after so they can trade him off and get lots of those assets back.

I think that will be the case for him. But if he is named team captain then who knows that could make it difficult- but then again he was captain of the Pete’s and got traded so who knows.

Teams will overpay for a player like McCoy because he's a leader, Has championship / memorial cup experience and doesn't make a lot of mistakes in his own end.

 

[frontsfan67]

Teams will overpay for a player like McCoy because he's a leader, Has championship / memorial cup experience and doesn't make a lot of mistakes in his own end.

I agree. And a RHD. And also had 2 years opposed to 1. If he gets shipped somewhere I’m sure it’ll be for a good amount of draft capital but just not as big of a trade as this year with a first rounder involved.

Will absolutely take him on the fronts if he wants a change in scenery I think that would be amazing for this team.

If he comes here hypothetically he could be captain out of training camp as we just lost ludwinski.

 

[ScoutLife4]

I agree. And a RHD. And also had 2 years opposed to 1. If he gets shipped somewhere I’m sure it’ll be for a good amount of draft capital but just not as big of a trade as this year with a first rounder involved.
Will absolutely take him on the fronts if he wants a change in scenery I think that would be amazing for this team.

If he comes here hypothetically he could be captain out of training camp as we just lost ludwinski.

I would not be shocked by any means to see him land in Kingston.
There’s already a relationship with Longo who has worked with him for several years during the summer.

 

[frontsfan67]

I would not be shocked by any means to see him land in Kingston.
There’s already a relationship with Longo who has worked with him for several years during the summer.

I agree. If he’s on his way out anywhere you’d think kingston would be a pretty ideal landing spot.

Come here and maybe get the C right away. Team will be competitive, and he gets a spot on pk1, pp2 and first line d right away.

Also from Belleville so closer to home in an OA season would probably be great for him rather than way up north.

If he plays USPORTS after OHL I assume he would go to queens for the hockey and schooling. and then there’s his hometown Belleville senators that could always offer him a contract if he does well enough (and Mann has connections too)

 

[frontsfan67]

OA’s I want fronts to target between now and the deadline of next season



1 Trent swick 6’7 -Kitchener- left winger 1ppg



We are weak on the left wing where he plays- we lost our biggest guy Schmidt so getting a big presence like swick that can score and play many roles would be very good for fronts. Also leadership and playoff experience



2 Donovan McCoy -Sudbury- reliable rhd man from Belleville with lots of experience



can be PP2, PK1 and D line 1 with burns- captain material, mem cup experience, lots of playoff experience



3A Anthony Deangelis -Sudbury- LHD very reliable defensively while being near 1ppg



quarterbacking one of the best powerplays in the OHL, on the PK, and has good leadership qualities too. Only thing is he is another OA D man from Sudbury and he is a LHD. They need a RHD.



3B Jacob Leblanc -NB- very good d man can play in any situation- a RHD which is needed.



On one of the best powerplays, and penalty kills in the ohl. One thing though is the drama between miedema and his brother- one reason he may not want to come here, but if they can sort it out it would be worth while.

 

[dirty12]

I like your choices. I also like McCoy, Wakely, VanSteensel; or Mathurin, LeBlanc, LeBlanc. There will probably be plenty of good choices available.

 

[frontsfan67]

I like your choices. I also like McCoy, Wakely, VanSteensel; or Mathurin, LeBlanc, LeBlanc. There will probably be plenty of good choices available.

would love wakely or van steensel too. Both tremendous players. I would be shocked if they don’t get pro contracts from the season they had and the post season they are having.

Mathurin is great too but is drafted so I’m not sure if he will be back but he’s a steady d man and the fronts could use him as a shut down guy for sure. Both leblancs are great but just not sure if they’d want to come here after all the drama with miedema

 

[zaluty]

Seattle announces Paul McFarland will not be back next year. Wonder if finds his way back here

LOL

 

[ktownfan]

Seattle announces Paul McFarland will not be back next year. Wonder if finds his way back here

LOL

once bitten...

 

[frontsfan67]

Seattle announces Paul McFarland will not be back next year. Wonder if finds his way back here

LOL

Lol!! So he can leave a third time

 

[ktownfan]

He had a chance to prove himself at the NHL level and obviously didn't. Junior ranks may be the place for him, He is an in your face disciplinarian, so nit sure that works anymore with these kids now. Anyway, we seem to have made our decision on coach so lets let him have a good run at it.

 

[OHL4Life]

would love wakely or van steensel too. Both tremendous players. I would be shocked if they don’t get pro contracts from the season they had and the post season they are having.

Mathurin is great too but is drafted so I’m not sure if he will be back but he’s a steady d man and the fronts could use him as a shut down guy for sure. Both leblancs are great but just not sure if they’d want to come here after all the drama with miedema

i think all three are oas at this stage, most nhl teams would have tendered a contract to mathurin. i think wakley will be drafted but back, same with van steensel, his abilities are not pro level. you could do a massive 3 for 1 trade lol.

 

[frontsfan67]

i think all three are oas at this stage, most nhl teams would have tendered a contract to mathurin. i think wakley will be drafted but back, same with van steensel, his abilities are not pro level. you could do a massive 3 for 1 trade lol.

Lol holy crap a trade for 3 OA’s all from the same team that would be wild

Hey I wouldn’t be opposed though!

 

[OHL4Life]

Lol holy crap a trade for 3 OA’s all from the same team that would be wild

Hey I wouldn’t be opposed though!

that would be one hell of a price, maybe 9/10 picks, all high.

 

[frontsfan67]

that would be one hell of a price, maybe 9/10 picks, all high.

Absolutely.

if the malholtra kid wanted to go to NB I’m sure he would help some picks but even then would be one hell of a haul

I can’t recall 3 OA’s being traded to the same team in the same trade before. Can you?

 

[leafs4life94]

Last year Peterborough traded for two OAs in Gavin White and Avery Hayes, and the cost was an OA (Panwar), Nick Lardis (6th overall 17 yr old), a 3rd and conditional 6th that ended up upgrading to another 3rd.

The ask for all three of Wakely/Van Steensel/Mathurin likely starts with Hopkins, and at least another 3-4 2nds or 3rds.

 

[OHL4Life]

Absolutely.

if the malholtra kid wanted to go to NB I’m sure he would help some picks but even then would be one hell of a haul

I can’t recall 3 OA’s being traded to the same team in the same trade before. Can you?

honestly dont, hopkins and a pick or two may be the right value.

 

[dirty12]

Last year Peterborough traded for two OAs in Gavin White and Avery Hayes, and the cost was an OA (Panwar), Nick Lardis (6th overall 17 yr old), a 3rd and conditional 6th that ended up upgrading to another

The ask for all three of Wakely/Van Steensel/Mathurin likely starts with Hopkins, and at least another 3-4 2nds or 3rds.

Idk, that price the Petes paid may never be equaled. It turned out to be worth it though.

 

[frontsfan67]

honestly dont, hopkins and a pick or two may be the right value.

Kingston would be shooting themself in the foot with that one- trading their young star player about to breakout to a team that has beat them out 2 of the last 3 years.


For that price it would have to be cup or bust.


In other words I’d be okay with that as long as that isn’t the only couple of moves they make.


What do you think the price of just wakely would be? Definitely think they would have interest in him if he is A- back in the OHL and b- willing to come to kingston


I’m not sure if A or B will happen

 

[frontsfan67]

Off topic here but I’m sure Oshawa will be real good next year in our division along with Brantford obviously and us.


I could be wrong but I think they’re losing Lockhart, Roobroeck, Punnett and Rolofs.


Now those are 4 big guys to lose obviously but guys like Sennecke, Ritchie, D’Amato, Oster, Buckley, Torrance, Danford, Marelli, Sandu, potentially Kumpulainen, and Griffin will be back and have a better year


They didn’t really go all out this year acquiring people. Not sure what their picks situation is for next year but they got the Brady smith kid who I’m sure will step into a top 3 line role right away and then an import guy. (If I were them I’d pick a d man)


Wonder how this changes the fronts trajectory. Then obviously Mississauga goes for it too.


But with all this happening I wonder if they trade a few of the 05’s that want a bigger role somewhere elsewhere and won’t be back for the their OA season (like burns and potentially miedema) and build around the 06 group of frasca battaglia, Williamson and company with some good 05 OA’s already in place.

 

[dirty12]

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[dirty12]

Kingston would be shooting themself in the foot with that one- trading their young star player about to breakout to a team that has beat them out 2 of the last 3 years.


For that price it would have to be cup or bust.


In other words I’d be okay with that as long as that isn’t the only couple of moves they make.


What do you think the price of just wakely would be? Definitely think they would have interest in him if he is A- back in the OHL and b- willing to come to kingston


I’m not sure if A or B will happen

I don’t know why Wakely would not want to go to Kingston. It’s as close to home as any other good team needing OAs, and he might be the ideal #1 centre for that team

 

[dirty12]

Off topic here but I’m sure Oshawa will be real good next year in our division along with Brantford obviously and us.


I could be wrong but I think they’re losing Lockhart, Roobroeck, Punnett and Rolofs.


Now those are 4 big guys to lose obviously but guys like Sennecke, Ritchie, D’Amato, Oster, Buckley, Torrance, Danford, Marelli, Sandu, potentially Kumpulainen, and Griffin will be back and have a better year


They didn’t really go all out this year acquiring people. Not sure what their picks situation is for next year but they got the Brady smith kid who I’m sure will step into a top 3 line role right away and then an import guy. (If I were them I’d pick a d man)


Wonder how this changes the fronts trajectory. Then obviously Mississauga goes for it too.


But with all this happening I wonder if they trade a few of the 05’s that want a bigger role somewhere elsewhere and won’t be back for the their OA season (like burns and potentially miedema) and build around the 06 group of frasca battaglia, Williamson and company with some good 05 OA’s already in place.

That seems like a bad idea as the eastern conference is absolutely loaded with ‘06s. Kingston has about a dozen ‘05s returning, gotta take a shot at a run.

 

[frontsfan67]

I don’t know why Wakely would not want to go to Kingston. It’s as close to home as any other good team needing OAs, and he might be the ideal #1 centre for that team

just because with the 2 series in 3 years maybe there is some bad blood between him and the fronts and who knows what goes on in a 19 year olds head.

Cooper is a decent gm but Mann is the big attraction. Proven resume of developing players.

In the matter of about 60games Hopkins went from looking like he’s not OHL ready under Caputi at first to looking like he will have a good chance at cracking the top 6 here this year and has a very bright future ahead of him.

Schmidt had a career year here averaging almost a PPG.

Ludwinski had a career year, battaglia went from one of the worst to one of the best fronts in the matter of a season. Thibodeau has a bright future if he tightens up some things.


It was Mann also that put weir and Velliaris in the GOJHL and I believe that is really going to help both of their OHL careers.


I think if anyone wants to come here it’ll be because of him. And with Mann and the fronts inking a 3 year deal I’m sure good things are to follow for the club


Who knows since the fronts have a good coach for the full year this year along with drafting players under him etc maybe they take the east by storm and I’m dead wrong about them finishing 4th. We will have to see but it’s so funny the official season isn’t over yet but next year should be very bright.

 

[PuckLucker]

just because with the 2 series in 3 years maybe there is some bad blood between him and the fronts and who knows what goes on in a 19 year olds head.

Cooper is a decent gm but Mann is the big attraction. Proven resume of developing players.

In the matter of about 60games Hopkins went from looking like he’s not OHL ready under Caputi at first to looking like he will have a good chance at cracking the top 6 here this year and has a very bright future ahead of him.

Schmidt had a career year here averaging almost a PPG.

Ludwinski had a career year, battaglia went from one of the worst to one of the best fronts in the matter of a season. Thibodeau has a bright future if he tightens up some things.


It was Mann also that put weir and Velliaris in the GOJHL and I believe that is really going to help both of their OHL careers.


I think if anyone wants to come here it’ll be because of him. And with Mann and the fronts inking a 3 year deal I’m sure good things are to follow for the club


Who knows since the fronts have a good coach for the full year this year along with drafting players under him etc maybe they take the east by storm and I’m dead wrong about them finishing 4th. We will have to see but it’s so funny the official season isn’t over yet but next year should be very bright.

Wakely has already been to 2 NHL camps as a free agent invite and has previously made contact with Troy Mann - https://bellevillesens.com/wakely-chasing-hockey-dream-senators/
Ottawa in 2022
Vancouver in 2023

I disagree completely on Hopkins being in the top 6, I mean that could happen once trades are completed over the summer and a surplus of 2005's are either moved or ask to be moved.

Troy Mann's name and resume should attract talent but he still needs to adjust his coaching style to the OHL and understand the AHL is a different beast with 25-28 year olds grinding it out. The Fronts had a very strong roster this past season after the trade deadline and underperformed in my eyes.

Strong PP and decent PK but the 5 on 5 play was horrendous to watch, how was every player on this team a negative in the plus / minus department. Come on coach, get that figured out!

He took over after 11 games, so he had 56 games minus his suspension. Hopefully a full season plus having the group early on helps but I won't hold my breath. Having a record just above .500 is not acceptable with the group of players he had to work with.

For context, Guelph just fired their coach and they had a slightly better record than the Fronts. Chad Wiseman’s regular season coaching record was 68-56-10-2 in 2 seasons.