Line Combos: Kessel/Bozak/JVR approaching positive plus/minus status.

[zeke]

+/- is useful to compare players to their team mates.

this is false.

 

[Disgruntled Observer*]

this is false.

Same coach, goaltending behind them, and system.

If one player has WAY more goals go in against his team than most other players on his team, he's clearly doing something wrong.

I suppose you'll just call players you like with bad +/- "unlucky".
Which is just a euphemism fans use to defend home team players.

So is Kadri with his +17 playing well? Or "lucky"?

It's so ridiculous.
At least I'm consistent.

 

[Espher]

At least I'm consistent.

Doesn't mean it's a positive.

 

[7even]

Same coach, goaltending behind them, and system.

If one player has WAY more goals go in against his team than most other players on his team, he's clearly doing something wrong.

I suppose you'll just call players you like with bad +/- "unlucky".
Which is just a euphemism fans use to defend home team players.

So is Kadri with his +17 playing well? Or "lucky"?

It's so ridiculous.
At least I'm consistent.

Those aren't two mutually exclusive statements. You can be lucky and playing well. Which Kadri is.

Wow that was easy.

 

[Disgruntled Observer*]

Those aren't two mutually exclusive statements. You can be lucky and playing well. Which Kadri is.

Wow that was easy.

So in regards to plus/minus, Kessel has been "unlucky" for 4 straight seasons?

yeah... a little too easy...

 

[7even]

So in regards to plus/minus, Kessel has been "unlucky" for 4 straight seasons?

yeah... a little too easy...

What the **** are you talking about plus minus is only tangentially related to luck, and almost everything to do with the strength of the team. "Luck" is in reference to on-ice shooting %, of which Kadri's is higher than Sidney Crosby's.

 

[Disgruntled Observer*]

What the **** are you talking about plus minus is only tangentially related to luck, and almost everything to do with the strength of the team. "Luck" is in reference to on-ice shooting %, of which Kadri's is higher than Sidney Crosby's.

No idea what you're talking about.
We're discussing +/- in this thread, not shooting percentage. Don't have.
You specifically referenced Kadri's +/- (not shooting percentage) and then asked "luck"?

And you're right... +/- has a lot to do with the strength of the team.
But Kessel is usually near the bottom OF HIS TEAM in +/-.

Good luck spinning your way out of that one...

 

[-DeMo-]

the reason Kessel is a 0 on the +/- is because of his 8 points and +5 because of it in the last 4 games. when you put up that kind of offense your +/- will go up.

 

[Commander Clueless]

the reason Kessel is a 0 on the +/- is because of his 8 points and +5 because of it in the last 4 games. when you put up that kind of offense your +/- will go up.

Yes, but only if you don't let in more goals against. Hence, this thread.



Phil Kessel will likely never be a defensive wizard because his main focus is offense and he's good at it. However, it is nice to see a solid defensive effort from him and from his line.

 

[7even]

No idea what you're talking about.
We're discussing +/- in this thread, not shooting percentage. Don't have.
You specifically referenced Kadri's +/- (not shooting percentage) and then asked "luck"?

And you're right... +/- has a lot to do with the strength of the team.
But Kessel is usually near the bottom OF HIS TEAM in +/-.

Good luck spinning your way out of that one...

You sound like Bill O'Reilly, running around pointing fingers at everyone for using spin and rhetoric to distort perception. Except, of course, yourself. It's a delightful double standard.

 

[Mess]

the reason Kessel is a 0 on the +/- is because of his 8 points and +5 because of it in the last 4 games. when you put up that kind of offense your +/- will go up.

True, but giving credit where its due that is also an accomplishment for the line to improve both offensively and defensively this past week, which is helping the Leafs edge closer to a playoff date.

The trio is helping and not hurting as their +/- dictates.

 

[Clark4Ever]

All I know is, if Kessel and Bozak can actually finish the season as plus players, it might be a sign of Armageddon...

 

[mix1home]

Bozak is better than Phil defensively, but he's got a worse +/-.

Can't explain that.

Bozak plays PK. Odd goals happen just after PP expires or after say icing after PK.

 

[Superstar]

Bozak is better than Phil defensively, but he's got a worse +/-.

Can't explain that.

I think it's Kessel creating scoring chances on his own while Bozak is still on the bench waiting to change.