Kesler vs Perry

[Randall Graves*]

I am going to pretend that crosby/perry thread doesn't exist so we can have a serious thread.

anaheim fans are high on perry, vancouver fans are high on kesler, since they played against each other tonight, why not a comparison thread?

so who will be better, and whats their respective potential in your opinion?

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[quat]

I am going to pretend that crosby/perry thread doesn't exist so we can have a serious thread.

anaheim fans are high on perry, vancouver fans are high on kesler, since they played against each other tonight, why not a comparison thread?

so who will be better, and whats their respective potential in your opinion?

Seems to me that they bring entirely different qualities to their teams. I'm dead certain that there will be a huge number of Canuck fans that will complain about drafting Kesler ahead of Perry...mostly because they like to complain and have a man crush on prospects that can score.

That said, Perry put on quite a show against a very lethargic Canucks squad, and it sounds like he's got some decent skills. Apparently Kesler played fairly well after his first gaff that led to a goal.

IMO Kesler is a better fit with the Canucks (now), even if Perry turns out to be a decent scorer.

 

[AgentNaslund*]

Perry will destroy Kesler. Tonights game tells all. Perry played like a super star tonight single handidly destroying the Canucks scored a highlite goal. Had enough chances to score at least 5 goals. 2 posts. When the replay showed, he got a standing ovation from Canuck fans on one of the highlites. I like Kesler, but its a no brainer perry is gonna be way better then him.

Canucks are a no risk draft team. Kesler was a safe pick. Remember the time we took Nathan Smith, over Brad Boyes? safe pick riiiiiiight. Took Bourdon over Kopitar. Safe pick.

But this is a funny topic. Why chose Kesler out of so many prospects? Kesler future 3rd liner, vs Perry future first liner. Not even close if u ask me.

 

[Transported Upstater]

Perry will destroy Kesler. Tonights game tells all. Perry played like a super star tonight single handidly destroying the Canucks scored a highlite goal. Had enough chances to score at least 5 goals. 2 posts. When the replay showed, he got a standing ovation from Canuck fans on one of the highlites. I like Kesler, but its a no brainer perry is gonna be way better then him.

Canucks are a no risk draft team. Kesler was a safe pick. Remember the time we took Nathan Smith, over Brad Boyes? safe pick riiiiiiight. Took Bourdon over Kopitar. Safe pick.

But this is a funny topic. Why chose Kesler out of so many prospects? Kesler future 3rd liner, vs Perry future first liner. Not even close if u ask me.

For Vancouver, Kesler is a far better fit right now IMO. Canucks have too many players who need the puck on their stick to be effective. Kesler is exactly the type of player Vancouver needs more of. Although Matt Cooke also fills this role...


Best Potential - Perry.

Best fit for Vancouver right now - Kesler.

 

[quat]

Perry will destroy Kesler. Tonights game tells all. Perry played like a super star tonight single handidly destroying the Canucks scored a highlite goal. Had enough chances to score at least 5 goals. 2 posts. When the replay showed, he got a standing ovation from Canuck fans on one of the highlites. I like Kesler, but its a no brainer perry is gonna be way better then him.

Canucks are a no risk draft team. Kesler was a safe pick. Remember the time we took Nathan Smith, over Brad Boyes? safe pick riiiiiiight. Took Bourdon over Kopitar. Safe pick.

But this is a funny topic. Why chose Kesler out of so many prospects? Kesler future 3rd liner, vs Perry future first liner. Not even close if u ask me.

Well, this is exactly the kind of poster I refered to above.

Perry > Naslund, Bertuzzi, Morrison... well, everyone on the ice basically.

 

[Randall Graves*]

Perry will destroy Kesler. Tonights game tells all. Perry played like a super star tonight single handidly destroying the Canucks scored a highlite goal. Had enough chances to score at least 5 goals. 2 posts. When the replay showed, he got a standing ovation from Canuck fans on one of the highlites. I like Kesler, but its a no brainer perry is gonna be way better then him.

Canucks are a no risk draft team. Kesler was a safe pick. Remember the time we took Nathan Smith, over Brad Boyes? safe pick riiiiiiight. Took Bourdon over Kopitar. Safe pick.

But this is a funny topic. Why chose Kesler out of so many prospects? Kesler future 3rd liner, vs Perry future first liner. Not even close if u ask me.

they were chosen about 5 spots apart and I know alot of people like both players.

 

[Zaddik]

first of all, the whole premise of this thread is ridiculous.

you are comparing a player who will potentially become more like a madden/draper clone in the near future and a top 6 scoring forward. that alone should tell you how ill conceived this thread is. they both offer you different sets of tools that are vital to a successful team. it's virtually impossible to evaluate both of them in terms of overall ability.

 

[Towelie*]

For Vancouver, Kesler is a far better fit right now IMO. Canucks have too many players who need the puck on their stick to be effective. Kesler is exactly the type of player Vancouver needs more of. Although Matt Cooke also fills this role...


Best Potential - Perry.

Best fit for Vancouver right now - Kesler.

I think that us Canuck fans are relatively happy with Kesler, and why not? That said, Perry is the better prospect. I don't buy the argument that "Kesler fits in bette for the Canucks" deal. It is clearly said just because Kesler is the inferiour prospect, lets just admit it guys. It doesn't mean Kesler sucks, I still like him, however Perry looked tonight like a super star, and superstars are hard to come by.

 

[SedinFan*]

Perry's better offensively. Kesler's better defensively.

Again, a poor comparison.

 

[MS]

As much as I love Kesler and think he'll be a top two-way center in this league, Perry will probably develop into a 6'3" point-per-game #1 center. Any Canuck fan who'd take Kesler at this point is not thinking too clearly.

Which is not to say Kesler is a poor pick - of the guys taken between 20-30 in that draft Perry and maybe Richards are the only two I'd take ahead of him now.

 

[PapaBear*]

J. carter would be a much better comparison.

 

[struckmatch]

Canucks fans will say Kesler, except me.

I'm sorry, but Corey Perry has star potential written all over him, you don't pass that up. Kesler maxes out at second line centre, while Perry has first line potential. Kesler may be better defensively, but a lot of us Canuck fans haven't even seen him play very much, at all, so we're in no place to judge him as a hockey player.

IMO, its like asking someone, would you rather have Brendan Morrison, or Vincent Lecavalier? Sure, Brendan may be better defensively, but Lecavalier is a SUPERSTAR, although since I'm a Canuck fan, I'll choose Morrison.

Seriously, this is a no brainer, Corey Perry in a heartbeat. Kesler is still very talented, but Perry will put up big numbers in this league, the kid has big league skills.

 

[Randall Graves*]

first of all, the whole premise of this thread is ridiculous.

you are comparing a player who will potentially become more like a madden/draper clone in the near future and a top 6 scoring forward. that alone should tell you how ill conceived this thread is. they both offer you different sets of tools that are vital to a successful team. it's virtually impossible to evaluate both of them in terms of overall ability.

all you had to do was answer the question, who will be better?

 

[Blane Youngblood]

Canucks are a no risk draft team. Kesler was a safe pick. Remember the time we took Nathan Smith, over Brad Boyes? safe pick riiiiiiight.

Well, if you're going to use sarcasm atleast get it right. Going off the board for a player who you think will do better then one ranked where you are picking is not safe. The reason the Canucks took Smith is because they thought he was going to develop well, which he didn't, but he was a risky pick.

BTW, as a fan, I always prefer the boom or bust guys. So I'd say I'd rather have Perry. But if we picked a bust I'd be screaming for the GMs head so who can blame him for picking Kesler.

 

[kmad]

Hey guys, let's read into preseason games

That'll be accurate

AgentNaslund, take all this tomfoolery back to Canucks.com

 

[Greg7]

I think this is close. Perry is an intriguing prospect, but he has warts that I really don't like. In particular, his below average NHL skating scares me a little bit, and makes me wonder if he will turn out to be nothing more than a powerplay specialist. He seems to lack strength in his legs, allowing him to be pushed around easily and giving him a weak first step. Also, despite being reasonably sized he is easily knocked around and doesn't look like the type of player who will ever use his size for anything. Having said that, he is obviously extremely skilled, so I'm in no way writing him off, I'm just a little bit hesitant to label him as a future star until he convinces me that he can do something at an NHL (not preseason against Prestin Ryan) level. Obviously he COULD turn out to be much better than Kesler can ever be, but I also still think he might disappoint and become a mediocre second liner. Kesler, on the other hand, I am certain will turn into an elite two way forward. I'd say it's a tossup, only because I'm not convinced about Perry's ability to fully translate his game. If he does, well, then it's an easy choice.

 

[Greg7]

As much as I love Kesler and think he'll be a top two-way center in this league, Perry will probably develop into a 6'3" point-per-game #1 center. Any Canuck fan who'd take Kesler at this point is not thinking too clearly.

Which is not to say Kesler is a poor pick - of the guys taken between 20-30 in that draft Perry and maybe Richards are the only two I'd take ahead of him now.

I'm pretty sure Perry plays wing, just to clarify. Also, I don't want to get into a Richards vs. Kesler debate (for the millionth time at least) but I'm curious, what's the difference between the two other than Kesler being bigger and a better skater? You could maybe say Richards has a bit more offensive upside, but I'd say it's a minimal difference at best (maybe I'm wrong).

 

[MS]

I'm pretty sure Perry plays wing, just to clarify. Also, I don't want to get into a Richards vs. Kesler debate (for the millionth time at least) but I'm curious, what's the difference between the two other than Kesler being bigger and a better skater? You could maybe say Richards has a bit more offensive upside, but I'd say it's a minimal difference at best (maybe I'm wrong).

Yeah, Perry plays wing (duh). I'm a lot more sold on his skills translating than you are. His puck skills and hockey sense are so ridiculous that I don't think his skating really matters that much (similar to Jason Allison), and he has a lot more grit and work ethic than people give him credit for.

I have Kesler and Richards as nearly dead even. I only mentioned Richards in that context so as not to start that debate again.

 

[orcatown]

Kesler lacks the upside potential of Perry. Indeed few have the upside potential of Perry. Kesler will develop into a good NHL player and have a long and successful career. Perry will be a top end NHL player. If you look back to the 2003 draft Perry is now top 10 material. Would rate Kesler in the 10 to 20 area.

 

[monster_bertuzzi]

Perry could be an all-star player, Kesler more of a 2-way stud. Bad comparison.

 

[Transported Upstater]

Perry could be an all-star player, Kesler more of a 2-way stud. Bad comparison.

Agreed. What I was saying ifs theat in the next two yeatrs, Kesler would be beter for Vancouver IMO, but as a longt term prospect, PErry has a much higher ceiling. I just dont' think he's there yet; his skating is unquestionablely mediocre at best, which may hurt him in the early giioing.


Sory for the badttyping; I'm a little "tpisy."

 

[infected13]

Perry's skating has greatly improved, ducks minor league team had some great skating trainers, Lupul had the same problem and hes not phenominal or anything now but hes alot better and getting better everytime you see him.

 

[Transported Upstater]

I think that us Canuck fans are relatively happy with Kesler, and why not? That said, Perry is the better prospect. I don't buy the argument that "Kesler fits in bette for the Canucks" deal. It is clearly said just because Kesler is the inferiour prospect, lets just admit it guys. It doesn't mean Kesler sucks, I still like him, however Perry looked tonight like a super star, and superstars are hard to come by.

Of course Perry is a better prospect. I'm just saying Kesler, while not having the potential of Perry, is still a good player for Vancouver to have.

I do feel Perry is superior.

Vancouver's pick could have turned out a lot worse than Kesler.

 

[trahans99]

Wow what a change a few months makes .... even in May when Perry won MVP at the Memorial cup which I had front row tix tooo everybody was saying his max potential was 2nd liner and his bad skating wouldn't translate well at the NHL and he wouldn't be an impact player.

Now everyone thinks he's a superstar in the making.

He is by far and away my all time favorite junior player and I hope he becomes an NHL superstar, but I just find it funny how 4 months makes such a huge difference. I've thought from day 1 (4.5 years ago) that he has the skill and desire to become a bonafide NHL player with superstar potential.

 

[jcpenny]

I think this is close. Perry is an intriguing prospect, but he has warts that I really don't like. In particular, his below average NHL skating scares me a little bit, and makes me wonder if he will turn out to be nothing more than a powerplay specialist. He seems to lack strength in his legs, allowing him to be pushed around easily and giving him a weak first step. Also, despite being reasonably sized he is easily knocked around and doesn't look like the type of player who will ever use his size for anything. Having said that, he is obviously extremely skilled, so I'm in no way writing him off, I'm just a little bit hesitant to label him as a future star until he convinces me that he can do something at an NHL (not preseason against Prestin Ryan) level. Obviously he COULD turn out to be much better than Kesler can ever be, but I also still think he might disappoint and become a mediocre second liner. Kesler, on the other hand, I am certain will turn into an elite two way forward. I'd say it's a tossup, only because I'm not convinced about Perry's ability to fully translate his game. If he does, well, then it's an easy choice.

He sure didnt look slow to me when he beat two Canucks to the puck before scoring that sick goal...