Prospect Info: July 2023 - after draft - Red Wings Prospect voting #4

[Henkka]

Danielson wins 3rd round with another landslide.

#1 LD - Simon Edvinsson 86.8% (6th overall, 1st round, 2021 draft)
#2 C - Marco Kasper 80% (8th overall, 1st round, 2022 draft)
#3 C - Nate Danielson 68.0% (9th overall, 1st round, 2023 draft)

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[Frk It]

Wallinder has a better floor and just as good of a ceiling as ASP, IMO.

 

[jaster]

Jeez, I go out of town for a couple days and we're already onto poll #4??

Mazur here. His floor-ceiling quotient is higher than everyone left.

 

[norrisnick]

Jeez, I go out of town for a couple days and we're already onto poll #4??

Mazur here. His floor-ceiling quotient is higher than everyone left.

Is having to army-crawl through his apartment really that good of a thing?

 

[jaster]

Is having to army-crawl through his apartment really that good of a thing?

Feakin' slumlords, man.

 

[newfy]

I went with Cossa but between him, Mazur, Wallinder and ASP it could really be anyone at this point.

 

[NickH8]

ASP. Ceiling is sky high.

 

[Frk It]

Would like to hear the argument for ASP over Wallinder that isn't entirely based on where they were drafted.

 

[norrisnick]

Would like to hear the argument for ASP over Wallinder that isn't entirely based on where they were drafted.

Lefty loosy, righty tighty.

 

[RabidBadger]

Went with Seabass this round. If he hits he'll individually win us more games than the others.

 

[jaster]

Would like to hear the argument for ASP over Wallinder that isn't entirely based on where they were drafted.

I don't see much separation between them at this point personally, but I'm interested in watching both of them a lot more this coming season; to better familiarize myself with ASP, and to get an accurate sense of where Wallinder is at as a defenseman.

To answer your question though.... higher offensive ceiling I imagine. Wallinder has developed well, but ASP has done way more offensively at comparable ages. He has more runway to reach an offensive ceiling Wallinder very likely doesn't possess.

 

[norrisnick]

I don't see much separation between them at this point personally, but I'm interested in watching both of them a lot more this coming season; to better familiarize myself with ASP, and to get an accurate sense of where Wallinder is at as a defenseman.

To answer your question though.... higher offensive ceiling I imagine. Wallinder has developed well, but ASP has done way more offensively at comparable ages. He has more runway to reach an offensive ceiling Wallinder very likely doesn't possess.

But skating and floor.

 

[jaster]

But skating and floor.

Like I said, I don't have one distinctly above the other at this point, I can kind of see arguments both ways. Maybe there's a shiny new toy factor with ASP. Both have flaws, both have tools. With Wallinder, I still need to be convinced that panic threshold isn't an issue at the NHL level.

Also, curious to know, what do you all see as Wallinder's "calling card?" Big, excellent skater, can transport the puck and has a good transition game. But... will he score a meaningful amount of points? Will he be shutting down scoring forwards? More of a jack-of all-trades guy?

 

[norrisnick]

Like I said, I don't have one distinctly above the other at this point, I can kind of see arguments both ways. Maybe there's a shiny new toy factor with ASP. Both have flaws, both have tools. With Wallinder, I still need to be convinced that panic threshold isn't an issue at the NHL level.

Also, curious to know, what do you all see as Wallinder's "calling card?" Big, excellent skater, can transport the puck and has a good transition game. But... will he score a meaningful amount of points? Will he be shutting down scoring forwards? More of a jack-of all-trades guy?

That's largely it. Sort of an early NJ Niedermayer before the overhype set in. 30-40ish points. Skating based game.

 

[Henkka]

Finally some close voting...

 

[The Zermanator]

Just basing this on who has gotten votes so far... but Soderblom potentially being deemed our 10th best prospect really puts into perspective how stocked the cupboard is.

#4 is Wallinder for me. The more he has to cook in the non-NHL pro leagues the more he'll be poised to hit the ground running in the NHL when he does arrive, ala Seider. Not to that level per se, just in terms of being able to step in and not look like a rookie.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Wallinder easily.

Aside from shiny new toy syndrome, why would anyone vote ASP?

Also @jaster on your point of panic threshold, Wallinder is cool as a cucumber. There is no Jakub Kindl or Dennis Cholowski in his game. No lobbing pucks blindly when within 15 feet of an opposing forward. We'll have to get you a subscription to expressen.se so you can watch SHL. (Or AHLTV since he'll be with the Grifs now.)

Or better yet! When GRG go play Rockport you should take the trip with your family and check them out.

 

[jaster]

Wallinder easily.

Aside from shiny new toy syndrome, why would anyone vote ASP?

Also @jaster on your point of panic threshold, Wallinder is cool as a cucumber. There is no Jakub Kindl or Dennis Cholowski in his game. No lobbing pucks blindly when within 15 feet of an opposing forward. We'll have to get you a subscription to expressen.se so you can watch SHL. (Or AHLTV since he'll be with the Grifs now.)

Or better yet! When GRG go play Rockport you should take the trip with your family and check them out.

Rockford, bud. Better known around these parts as Screw City (historically an industrial town that has been known as the screw capital of the world, though with how little there is to do there, the other kind of screw may also be appropriate). Rockford is a little ways away, but it's doable. I usually go see the Griffins in Rosemont when they play the Wolves though, that's much closer to my house I'll definitely plan to watch Wallinder in person this season.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Rockford, bud. Better known around these parts as Screw City (historically an industrial town that has been known as the screw capital of the world, though with how little there is to do there, the other kind of screw may also be appropriate). Rockford is a little ways away, but it's doable. I usually go see the Griffins in Rosemont when they play the Wolves though, that's much closer to my house

Then you'll enjoy watching Wallinder NOT shit the bed like Cholowski with the puck. He loves to skate it out. I think he's similar to a poor man's Edvinsson, but with a better shot.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

 

[Caser]

Add Buchelnikov.

 

[Frk It]

Add Buchelnikov.

Is he over 150 lbs yet?

 

[Caser]

Is he over 150 lbs yet?

Nah, weight is overrated anyway... and that's even though I'm biased since I have more than enough of it lol.

 

[SCD]

It is a mistake not having A. Johansson on the list at this point.

 

[wingsnut19]

Wallinder easily.

Aside from shiny new toy syndrome, why would anyone vote ASP?

Also @jaster on your point of panic threshold, Wallinder is cool as a cucumber. There is no Jakub Kindl or Dennis Cholowski in his game. No lobbing pucks blindly when within 15 feet of an opposing forward. We'll have to get you a subscription to expressen.se so you can watch SHL. (Or AHLTV since he'll be with the Grifs now.)

Or better yet! When GRG go play Rockport you should take the trip with your family and check them out.

I think it is very close between those two, but I actually really like ASP. I think his ceiling is higher, and think that he is more likely to hit it, so I voted for that upside. I voted him over Kasper for the same reason, and would also have voted Wallinder before Kasper. I'm also fine with being proven wrong, just my perspective on how things are as they sit right now.