Prospect Info: July 2023 - after draft - Red Wings Prospect voting #3

[Henkka]

Kasper wins 2nd round with another landslide.

#1 LD - Simon Edvinsson 86.8% (6th overall, 1st round, 2021 draft)
#2 C - Marco Kasper 80% (8th overall, 1st round, 2022 draft)

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[RRhoads]

William Wallinder. Coming off a great season in the SHL. He has proven himself against men. Has got the size, and his skating is smooth as silk. For some NHL teams he would be in the lineup come October, but not with our D.

 

[Fowler524]

Danielson

Add Lombardi

 

[ZDH]

Danielson

#4 is going to be tough

 

[NickH8]

I'm surprised Kasper won by that much. Danielson again.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Danielson

Wallinder not far off though.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

Add Augustine

And it should go
Danielson
Wallinder
Cossa
ASP
Mazar

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Add Augustine

And it should go
Danielson
Wallinder
Cossa
ASP
Mazar

Cossa AND ASP over Mazur? I don’t know. That one is tough for me. Mazur is both closer to the NHL than those guys, and has shown a good deal of potential. He looks like his game will complement any top 6. Cossa just had an OK season in the ECHL, and ASP has proven nothing in the SHL yet.

 

[Shaman464]

I think Danielson is the 2nd best prospect. I think his offense will translate better to the NHL than Kasper.

 

[dtown77]

Everyone loves the new car smell, eh?

 

[Holden Caufield]

Mazur

 

[Retire91]

Cossa for me. He's going to be a beast.

 

[BinCookin]

I voted Söderblom, But I vote on player readiness vs high end potential.

 

[heyfolks]

William Wallinder. Coming off a great season in the SHL. He has proven himself against men. Has got the size, and his skating is smooth as silk. For some NHL teams he would be in the lineup come October, but not with our D.

100% agree
6'4"
195 lbs
near .5 PPG with Rogle


Threepeat is Sider, Soderbloom and Wallinder

It’s a threepeat for the Detroit Red Wings. Detroit defense prospect William Wallinder is the 2022-23 European Hockey Club’s Young Player of the Year.
Playing for Rogle of the SHL. Wallinder was selected as the winner from a group of finalists that also included top 2023 draft hopeful Leo Carlsson (Orebro Hockey, Sweden), Leevi Meriläinen (Karpat Oulu, Finland), Aku Räty (Ilves Tampere, Finland), and David Reinbacher (EHC Kloten, Switzerland).

Red Wings Prospect Wallinder Named EHC Young Player of Year

Wallinder is the third straight Detroit prospect to earn honor

detroithockeynow.com

 

[AlwaysSunnyInDetroit]

Wallinders gonna be a beaut. Bums me out when I see his name in trade proposals

 

[PelagicJoe]

I voted for the wheel man: Axel.
(That's everyone's free dad joke for the day. I didn't say it was funny either.)

 

[Tetsuo]

I think Danielson is the 2nd best prospect. I think his offense will translate better to the NHL than Kasper.

I'm really liking the Danielson pick more and more as time goes on.

Feels like people overthought the production. He's a good skater, with good hands, hockey IQ, effort level (when not literally doing everything for his team). Plus I'm much more convinced he's an NHL C than Dvorsky so I see why we opted for Danielson over him and the likes of Benson, Wood, etc.

 

[Henkka]

I'm really liking the Danielson pick more and more as time goes on.

Feels like people overthought the production. He's a good skater, with good hands, hockey IQ, effort level (when not literally doing everything for his team). Plus I'm much more convinced he's an NHL C than Dvorsky so I see why we opted for Danielson over him and the likes of Benson, Wood, etc.

It's always a good question, which one is better player:

A) player who scores 4.00 points/60min and is scored 3.50 points/60min against
B) player who scores 3.00 points/60min and is scored 2.00 points/60min against

Player A is better individual scorer and will impact +0.5 goal difference every night.
Player B scores less as an individual and will create +1.0 goal difference every night.

Player A will get higher salaries at NHL, because 90% of contracts are based on production.
Player B impacts more on winning.

Which one would you like?

 

[BinCookin]

It's always a good question, which one is better player:

A) player who scores 4.00 points/60min and is scored 3.50 points/60min against
B) player who scores 3.00 points/60min and is scored 2.00 points/60min against

Player A is better individual scorer and will impact +0.5 goal difference every night.
Player B scores less as an individual and will create +1.0 goal difference every night.

Player A will get higher salaries at NHL, because 90% of contracts are based on production.
Player B impacts more on winning.

Which one would you like?

Under those numbers the better goal differential is clearly the right choice.

But can we redo these numbers with Debrincat vs Bertuzzi?? Or if Bert isn't good defensively, find a ~55-65 pt player who is good defensively to do the comparison

 

[norrisnick]

Under those numbers the better goal differential is clearly the right choice.

But can we redo these numbers with Debrincat vs Bertuzzi?? Or if Bert isn't good defensively, find a ~55-65 pt player who is good defensively to do the comparison

Elias Lindholm

 

[Henkka]

Lindholm would be same Bergeron-like players, who are paid for peanuts, but they impact on winning or some "WAR"-numbers by 13 million.

Selke styled centers are the key. We have now three who have got votes on different year, all are Michigan Wolverines. And we drafted one from WHL.

 

[BinCookin]

Elias Lindholm

I'd love an Lindholm... he is much better than Debrincat!

I don't think he qualifies as a "55-65" pt guy... he's been PPG for a few seasons hasn't he?

 

[norrisnick]

I'd love an Lindholm... he is much better than Debrincat!

I don't think he qualifies as a "55-65" pt guy... he's been PPG for a few seasons hasn't he?

Eh... two peaks but 39, 39, 45, 44, 78, 54, 47, 82, 64 is IMO a 55-65pt guy.

He's had one season at exactly 1.0 PPG.

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

I went with Cossa here even though I am a big Danielson fan. I am not a goalie guy but I still see him as having a super high ceiling even though he isn't Swedish.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Eh... two peaks but 39, 39, 45, 44, 78, 54, 47, 82, 64 is IMO a 55-65pt guy.

He's had one season at exactly 1.0 PPG.

You're counting his first 4 seasons after being rushed to the NHL and playing in bad situations. The story of Elias Lindholm in Calgary vs Carolina are completely different.

325 points with Calgary in 369 games in a 1st line role.
188 points in 374 games with Carolina in a 2nd and 3rd line role.

The Elias Lindholm you trade for isn't the average of the two. It's the player you're getting from Calgary that's been averaging over 19 ATOI, not the player on a poor Carolina team that was averaging 17.