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I can at least appreciate that logical teams and terms were mentioned. I think any player who rejects a max term deal to sign elsewhere is essentially taking a "discount" (in actuality, I just refer to that as taking less money and/or term to sign with his destination of choice). *I ultimately view a 'discount' as being a subjective matter.
The assumptions these Insiders(for the most part) make tend to be logical, they have to be in order for them to be believable.

I don't see it as a discount because I don't believe he was ever going to sign anywhere but here.
 

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The assumptions these Insiders(for the most part) make tend to be logical, they have to be in order for them to be believable.

I don't see it as a discount because I don't believe he was ever going to sign anywhere but here.
I found the rumours to be logical because SJ traded for Karlsson a few months later while NYI were the only team able to offer eight years (which should end up being the most lucrative deal on the table more often than not).

For how long did you believe that his choice was Toronto and only Toronto? What happens if Toronto wasn't quite interested to that same extent? For my part, I didn't truly believe in the possibility until the deadline for a max term contract with NYI had passed. I also believe that Toronto was far more interested in signing Tavares than they were Stamkos (when considering the timing of each signing and the quality of the respective Leaf teams).
 
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It's always funny seeing people, based on absolutely nothing, think they know more about Tavares' signing than Tavares himself.
 
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I found the assumptions to be logical because SJ traded for Karlsson a few months later and NYI were the only team able to offer eight years (which should end up being the most lucrative deal on the table more often than not).

For how long did you believe that his choice was Toronto and only Toronto? What happens if Toronto wasn't quite interested to that same extent? For my part, I didn't truly believe in the possibility until the deadline for a max term contract with NYI had passed. I also believe that Toronto was far more interested in signing Tavares than they were Stamkos (when considering the timing of each signing and the quality of the respective Leaf teams).
I didn't see San Jose as a real option, IMO it was here or stay on the Island.
Once he got to UFA status I was pretty confident he was coming here more so than Stamkos.
For Tavares it was home and a better opportunity to win.

If the Leafs had no interest he would have returned to the NYI, IMO.
 

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All you can hope for is that he'll continue to earn his keep on the PP while skating like the chubby kid in Bantam. :laugh:
 
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I didn't see San Jose as a real option, IMO it was here or stay on the Island.
Once he got to UFA status I was pretty confident he was coming here more so than Stamkos.
For Tavares it was home and a better opportunity to win.

If the Leafs had no interest he would have returned to the NYI, IMO.
I'm not convinced that Tavares was coming here at just any price though (I would have preferred an AAV closer to 10M). SJ was intent on adding a big name and such interest ostensibly increased the price. Conversely, turning down NYI's max term offer demonstrated to me that this wasn't simply about the money. I don't believe the final negotiation was anything more than two sides ultimately wanting a deal to happen and each doing what was necessary in order to make the possibility a reality.
 

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The assumptions these Insiders(for the most part) make tend to be logical, they have to be in order for them to be believable.

I don't see it as a discount because I don't believe he was ever going to sign anywhere but here.
Maybe the supposed offer from San Jose was leverage for Tavares to squeeze an extra million or two per year out of the Leafs, even if he was dead set on coming here.

That to me is still a hometown discount.
 
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Maybe the supposed offer from San Jose was leverage for Tavares to squeeze an extra million or two per year out of the Leafs, even if he was dead set on coming here.

That to me is still a hometown discount.
Could be. I always thought the number(real or not) was released as a way to make the Leafs offer look more palatable.
 
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Tavares is way too easy to knock off the puck, falls down constantly has liitle to no toughness... I feel bad for him now though because his team value is nowhere near his contract (cap hit)
Extremely respectable professional classy person and player but nhl is a business and he's no longer producing what was/is expected of him... if he ever did at all
It's a shame really, it would be a terrible thing to have to loose one of Matthews/Marner/Nylander because of the way thing's turned out to be

My dream trade would be
John Tavares for Seth Jones lol
 
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It was definitely a PR play.
At the time of the Tavares signing he became the highest UFA signing in a Cap World and only McDavid had a higher AAV.

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At the time of the Tavares signing he became the highest UFA signing in a Cap World
Tavares was not remotely close to the highest UFA signing in a cap world. He's not even a top 20 cap hit percentage among just UFA forwards.
In fact, every other UFA in your image got a higher cap hit percentage.
 
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If SJS would be stupid enough to trade him for karlsson , i would do it. Just for the fun of watching him play with Marner , Matthews, and Nylander. Would be more fun to watch. And come playoffs Karlsson would probably step up. The team would not be worse overall. If we aint winning we can at least have fun.
 

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And that brings us to San Jose Sharks defenceman Erik Karlsson. He’s more valuable than Johansen or Hayes, with a third Norris Trophy win Monday night, but it doesn’t really matter, does it? With four years left on a contract that has the fifth-highest cap hit in the league — $11.5 million — even being labelled the best defenceman in the world leaves him beyond reach for any other NHL team.

So until Sharks GM Mike Grier convinces ownership to eat part of the 33-year-old’s contract — whether it’s 25 per cent, 30, 40 or maybe more — he’s not going anywhere. When asked why San Jose wouldn’t go the Predators’ and Flyers’ route, Grier responded: “Because it’s a lot of money.”

“For people who think we’re going to eat 50 per cent of his contract and all this type of stuff, it’s probably not going to happen,” Grier said. “Erik’s a special player. He’s on the path to being a Hall of Fame player. He’s healthy, I think he proved that last year. He’s a special player who drives offence like not many others in this league … He’s not someone who we’re just going to toss aside and not take things into account and try and help the organization out.”

(For what it’s worth, former Leafs general manager Kyle Dubas showed a lot of interest in acquiring Karlsson last March. With San Jose only willing to discount them a paltry $2 million, the Leafs were forced to go in another direction.)

But this brings us to another contract that is believed to be unmovable: John Tavares. If this is truly a copycat league, will the discounted Johansen and Hayes trades inspire Leafs GM Brad Treliving to take another look at his captain’s contract?

A willingness by the Leafs to retain salary on a Tavares trade (and yes, we’ll get to the no-move clause later) could easily put a dozen teams in a bidding war and, more importantly, completely reconfigure the Leafs’ salary cap.

What it could do for the Leafs is immeasurable. Whether it’s re-signing Auston Matthews and William Nylander, acquiring a top defencemen via trade or free agency, or even adding an experienced playoff goalie, each of those scenarios would be back in play in a more meaningful way.

And whatever direction Treliving goes in after this substantial salary dump — Tavares has two years left with an $11 million average annual value — alters their look going into training camp. The 32-year-old may have put up 80 points last season, continuing his career point-a-game pace, but the skill set is on the decline and the money can be better spent elsewhere.

The issue, of course, is his no-move clause. Some may argue a deal is a deal and consider it dirty pool for Treliving to ask his captain to waive it. But is it?


It was a fascinating turn of events when St. Louis GM Doug Armstrong attempted to complete a trade with the Flyers earlier this week. It involved defenceman Torey Krug, who exercised his right not to waive his complete no-trade clause, one that Armstrong gave Krug back in 2020 when he signed him to a seven-year, $45.5-million deal.

If Armstrong’s purpose was to publicly pressure Krug to waive his clause, we’ll have to see if it worked in the days and weeks ahead. It’s possible Krug might change his mind as early as this weekend if he dares to read social media; many fans are angry about his decision.

So where would Leafs Nation sit if Treliving asked that of Tavares? The captain made it clear after the Leafs bowed out of the playoffs against Florida what his position was in relation to his contract.

“I love it here,” Tavares said. “I made a commitment here for seven years to be a Leaf and I want to be here. That’s how I feel.”

Would Treliving be willing to go where Armstrong did? Would a Canadian fan base like Toronto be more sympathetic to local boy Tavares even if it means not being able to improve the lineup dramatically? Or are we past that now and players shouldn’t take requests to waive no-move clauses so personally? At the end of the day it’s just business, right?

Some have suggested it’s not Treliving’s style to play hardball with his players. Perhaps that’s the case.

But I also can’t help thinking about his recent words in describing his Core Four: “Oh, I don’t think there’s ever any assurances in this business.”
 

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There's absolutely no way family man Tavares is taking his wife and kids away from home town Toronto. Not in a million years. When his contract is up he'll sign for peanuts to stay in Toronto as a 3rd line winger and PP specialist.
 

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There's absolutely no way family man Tavares is taking his wife and kids away from home town Toronto. Not in a million years. When his contract is up he'll sign for peanuts to stay in Toronto as a 3rd line winger and PP specialist.
in fact he will very likely sign for league minimum to help team win a Cup which is only reason he is still playing hockey .. much like Gio did .. he ain't going anywhere .. he has built a business buying/selling houses in GTA .. he bought da Marlboros team .. and his family and his wife's family luv taking care of kid(s) in High Park
 

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Tavares is still a beast. Ppg center. Those don't grow on trees. Clutch and our captain. Not moving him...love em...beauty!!

Your takes on Tavares are pure fan boy and based on dreams and nostalgia not reality...

Tavares a beast? 😆 🤣 😂 😹 😆 🤣 😂 😹 lololo



PPG center that got moved to the wing when playing with O'Reilly lolololol what did Captain Tavares do to protect his team after Reilly, Matthews got mugged on a regular hockey play, where Point actually looses his own balance...
Let's see;



Lmfao @ tavares he looks so scared, kinda sad...

Sorry to say but I respected even Dion Phaneuf more than Tavares as Leafs Captain...
Let alone Guy's Like Sundin, Gilmour, Clark etc

One of the worst captains in Leafs history who because of salary cap + flat cap era and NMC will handcuff team from their best chance at a stanley cup...

PPG PLAYER LOL terrible at 5 v 5 bowling pin type player, point totals highly inflated by tons of powerplay minutes at the expense of Nylander... Tavares is like a big dummy on the PP as well, as soon as he gets the puck, he'll just throw it at the net or towards a teammate and he's never been the same player after the Perry hit, plays timidly, horrible tempo setter for a Captain...

Needs gone asap or Leafs are completely f***** until his contract finally, mercifully expires, in what seems like an eternity from now...

Tavares a Beast 😁😄😆😅😂🤣😄 worst take ever!!!! lol @ Zur en arrh
 
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Without the Pandemic Cap would probably be at about $90mm right now based on an average 2.5% increase each year.

Would provide another $6.5mm and while still high, as expected for a UFA signing, I think he's actually provided what he was signed for.

He was never fleet of foot, and probably needs better defensive support today, but only pandemic hindsight would suggest you don't sign him.

All these years later, and the problem is still defense, but I don't see how trading for Karlsson solves that problem.

After the Tavares-marner line was so productive and switching to Matthews-marner, marner hasn't really taken much of a step forward offensive. 94 points for a 21 year old marner, 99 points as a 25 year old marner.

Not sure if that combination would work with a 33 year old Tavares.

Can't change Tavares age or Cap hit, but can change the line he plays on.

Matthews
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Cap hit should not determine position in line-up.
 

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And that brings us to San Jose Sharks defenceman Erik Karlsson. He’s more valuable than Johansen or Hayes, with a third Norris Trophy win Monday night, but it doesn’t really matter, does it? With four years left on a contract that has the fifth-highest cap hit in the league — $11.5 million — even being labelled the best defenceman in the world leaves him beyond reach for any other NHL team.

So until Sharks GM Mike Grier convinces ownership to eat part of the 33-year-old’s contract — whether it’s 25 per cent, 30, 40 or maybe more — he’s not going anywhere. When asked why San Jose wouldn’t go the Predators’ and Flyers’ route, Grier responded: “Because it’s a lot of money.”

“For people who think we’re going to eat 50 per cent of his contract and all this type of stuff, it’s probably not going to happen,” Grier said. “Erik’s a special player. He’s on the path to being a Hall of Fame player. He’s healthy, I think he proved that last year. He’s a special player who drives offence like not many others in this league … He’s not someone who we’re just going to toss aside and not take things into account and try and help the organization out.”

(For what it’s worth, former Leafs general manager Kyle Dubas showed a lot of interest in acquiring Karlsson last March. With San Jose only willing to discount them a paltry $2 million, the Leafs were forced to go in another direction.)

But this brings us to another contract that is believed to be unmovable: John Tavares. If this is truly a copycat league, will the discounted Johansen and Hayes trades inspire Leafs GM Brad Treliving to take another look at his captain’s contract?

A willingness by the Leafs to retain salary on a Tavares trade (and yes, we’ll get to the no-move clause later) could easily put a dozen teams in a bidding war and, more importantly, completely reconfigure the Leafs’ salary cap.

What it could do for the Leafs is immeasurable. Whether it’s re-signing Auston Matthews and William Nylander, acquiring a top defencemen via trade or free agency, or even adding an experienced playoff goalie, each of those scenarios would be back in play in a more meaningful way.

And whatever direction Treliving goes in after this substantial salary dump — Tavares has two years left with an $11 million average annual value — alters their look going into training camp. The 32-year-old may have put up 80 points last season, continuing his career point-a-game pace, but the skill set is on the decline and the money can be better spent elsewhere.

The issue, of course, is his no-move clause. Some may argue a deal is a deal and consider it dirty pool for Treliving to ask his captain to waive it. But is it?


It was a fascinating turn of events when St. Louis GM Doug Armstrong attempted to complete a trade with the Flyers earlier this week. It involved defenceman Torey Krug, who exercised his right not to waive his complete no-trade clause, one that Armstrong gave Krug back in 2020 when he signed him to a seven-year, $45.5-million deal.

If Armstrong’s purpose was to publicly pressure Krug to waive his clause, we’ll have to see if it worked in the days and weeks ahead. It’s possible Krug might change his mind as early as this weekend if he dares to read social media; many fans are angry about his decision.

So where would Leafs Nation sit if Treliving asked that of Tavares? The captain made it clear after the Leafs bowed out of the playoffs against Florida what his position was in relation to his contract.

“I love it here,” Tavares said. “I made a commitment here for seven years to be a Leaf and I want to be here. That’s how I feel.”

Would Treliving be willing to go where Armstrong did? Would a Canadian fan base like Toronto be more sympathetic to local boy Tavares even if it means not being able to improve the lineup dramatically? Or are we past that now and players shouldn’t take requests to waive no-move clauses so personally? At the end of the day it’s just business, right?

Some have suggested it’s not Treliving’s style to play hardball with his players. Perhaps that’s the case.

But I also can’t help thinking about his recent words in describing his Core Four: “Oh, I don’t think there’s ever any assurances in this business.”
Were not trading a ppg center and captain cause fans don't understand how valuable he is..jeez.. People have really lost the plot....bad...
 

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Consistently scores at PPG pace since entering the NHL… nothing indicates he will not do that in the next 2 seasons either.

Scores 2 goals in the final minute of the 2nd period to put the Leafs up 3-2 in Tampa’s elimination game 6… then, his game tying goal in game 7 gets called back while the referees ignore similar plays throughout the playoffs.

Last season, Tavares scores first playoff hat trick for Toronto in like forever… then scores overtime winner to advance the Maple Leafs into the second round… yes, the second round where Toronto has not advanced since John Tavares played pee-wee hockey.

Go Leafs
 

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