Joe Sakic VS Sidney Crosby All Time Better Player

[Danarqhy]

Who's better all-time?

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[tarheelhockey]

All due respect to Joe, but Crosby is a significantly better player in every category other than wrist shots.

 

[66-30-33]

I’ll take Crosby. Sakic looks like Kevin Sorbo to me though.

 

[Montreal Shadow]

Crosby is in that tier right below the Big 4. He's comparable to Jagr and clearly a level above Sakic.

 

[pi314]

Loved Joe and feel he is generally underrated all time…

But this one is no contest.

Sid.

 

[Mighty Makar]

#87

 

[nowhereman]

Very obvious answer here. Crosby is a tier or two ahead of Sakic. Crosby is currently my #5 all-time, while Sakic is somewhere in the 30s/40s.

 

[DitchMarner]

Crosby is better all-time, mainly due to better longevity as a top three to five player in the League.

At his best (1996 and 2001 for example), Sakic might have had an argument for best in the League if not for Lemieux. He was clearly in the top three to five at least. However, Crosby had a lot more years at that level.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Sakic is dollar store Crosby.

 

[Sky04]

It's Crosby

 

[waitin425]

Not close. Sid

 

[MXD]

Joe Sakic is closer to Malkin than to Crosby.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Crosby is in that tier right below the Big 4. He's comparable to Jagr and clearly a level above Sakic.

Honestly I think Jagr’s closer to Sakic than he is to Crosby.

 

[SEALBound]

Joe is great, but this isn't even close.

Honestly I think Jagr’s closer to Sakic than he is to Crosby.

I think Jagr is clearly #5 right now. Hard to ignore sustained greatness and being #2 all time in points.

Sid may overtake him in time though.

 

[dirtydanglez]

crosby.

lets see if he can match joe in the front office tho.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Joe is great, but this isn't even close.


I think Jagr is clearly #5 right now. Hard to ignore sustained greatness and being #2 all time in points.

Sid may overtake him in time though.

The points standing is less impressive when it takes playing forever to get there. Other guys in the top 5 with similar GP/point profiles are Mark Messier and Ron Francis, who both played far better defense than Jagr with significant PK responsibilities, and who are still nowhere near top 5 overall players (at least in my mind).

As far as sustained greatness, Crosby has been just as good for just as long, while playing a much more complete game and being a far better respected leader who directly contributed to more team success. What else does he have to do? What mark is he supposed to hit at age 37 which would make any difference here? He could hang around till 45 like Jagr just to rack up empty-calorie points and fluff his ranking, but why would that matter as to how good a player he was when it counted?

 

[TheStatican]

Sakic looks like Kevin Sorbo to me though.

Noe that you nention it... Is it a bad thing though?

 

[SEALBound]

The points standing is less impressive when it takes playing forever to get there. Other guys in the top 5 with similar GP/point profiles are Mark Messier and Ron Francis, who both played far better defense than Jagr with significant PK responsibilities, and who are still nowhere near top 5 overall players (at least in my mind).

As far as sustained greatness, Crosby has been just as good for just as long, while playing a much more complete game and being a far better respected leader who directly contributed to more team success. What else does he have to do? What mark is he supposed to hit at age 37 which would make any difference here? He could hang around till 45 like Jagr just to rack up empty-calorie points and fluff his ranking, but why would that matter as to how good a player he was when it counted?

If Jagr's PPG was 0.5 and he dwarfed Marleau in games played to get there, that would be one thing. But to maintain 1.1 PPG, with a significant number of games (450) coming after a three-year layoff at 40yo...it's still mighty impressive.

He was an absolutely dominant offensive player in the dead puck era.

That doesn't mean Sid has not proven himself worthy in the slightest. If he continues into his 40 at the same rate (or with similar rates to Jagr at similar ages) then, yeah I think there will be a good case to put Crosby over Jagr.

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

If Jagr's PPG was 0.5 and he dwarfed Marleau in games played to get there, that would be one thing. But to maintain 1.1 PPG, with a significant number of games (450) coming after a three-year layoff at 40yo...it's still mighty impressive.

He was an absolutely dominant offensive player in the dead puck era.

That doesn't mean Sid has not proven himself worthy in the slightest. If he continues into his 40 at the same rate (or with similar rates to Jagr at similar ages) then, yeah I think there will be a good case to put Crosby over Jagr.

Crosby has 19 straight ppg seasons, which is an nhl record. What more consistency do you want?

 

[66-30-33]

Noe that you nention it... Is it a bad thing though?
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Naw I like Herc.

 

[SEALBound]

Crosby has 19 straight ppg seasons, which is an nhl record. What more consistency do you want?

I never said anything about Sid's consistency.

 

[tarheelhockey]

If Jagr's PPG was 0.5 and he dwarfed Marleau in games played to get there, that would be one thing. But to maintain 1.1 PPG, with a significant number of games (450) coming after a three-year layoff at 40yo...it's still mighty impressive.

He didn’t really come off a layoff, he simply played outside North America. Which is unfortunate, because his KHL stint cost him some legacy points. Whatever he would have done in the NHL, it would have been better than being outscored by a bunch of KHL’ers.

In any case, I agree that he’s a really significant figure all time. I just don’t think he has the generational relevance of a Crosby, especially when it comes to things other than scoring. Defense, faceoffs, leadership, playing the center lane… all of the non-offensive factors tilt heavily toward Crosby. And while there’s nothing wrong with Jagr’s playoff record, Crosby is not a guy he wants to be compared to.

And even at that, their scoring profile wasn’t really all that different other than Crosby missing some time. Crosby actually has more top-5 scoring finishes (9-8). They’re close enough in offense that Crosby’s large advantage in the other cagegories really tilts the balance here.

That doesn't mean Sid has not proven himself worthy in the slightest. If he continues into his 40 at the same rate (or with similar rates to Jagr at similar ages) then, yeah I think there will be a good case to put Crosby over Jagr.

I just don’t see where it matters. We already know Crosby is the better player, see above. Playing for a really long time might move the needle if Crosby were playing catch-up, but he’s not. He could retire today and the only thing Jagr would have on him would be playing a really long time to pad his numbers in meaningless games.

 

[kevsh]

Even Joe Sakic would say Sid.

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

I never said anything about Sid's consistency.

Longevity is the same

 

[MakeTheGoalsLarger]

Crosby is the answer,

But Sakic's clutchness is hard to ignore. And that performance he gave at the olympics has to be the best ever by a forward