Speculation: Jets General Rumour, Trade, Free Agent and Waiver Speculation 16-17 Part XVI

[YWGinYYZ]

Continued from here: http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=2137437

Some posts to start us off:

I think that's it's extremely unlikely you'd get Bishop for that. If you are not giving term I think Bishop will look for 7.5-8.5 per at least on a 2/3 year deal. Even then I think he'd rather take a long term deal. If you want him in the 6 million dollar range you are looking at a 6/7 year term. No chance he goes for as little as 5, IMO, even a long term deal.

Yeah, I think we were just discussing in the context of what the Jets are likely to do. I just don't see them going all-in for a starter. With Vegas starting play next season, there's going to be at least one club looking for goaltending at every level. And you'd have to think Dallas is going to attempt something as well...along with the Avs, Flyers, Blues, Yotes...

Bishop's the belle of the ball - he's going to have lots of offers. No way we're landing him for a 2 or 3 year deal for $12M-$15M.

I think the Jets still believe in Hellebuyck as the goalie of the future and they're not looking to lock in to an aging starter...but they should be looking to roll the dice for a backup and maybe spend a bit more there to get a guy with some upside or with a solid track record.

Can't fault him for wanting to stay with a contender. Even prioritize signing with a contender in FA. But Ryan Miller looked quite particular about where he'd go until FA actually hit.

There are exactly 3 goalies in the whole league making 7.5-8.5. And they are Bobrovsky, Lundqvist and Rask. I just don't see it landing in that range at all, his numbers definitely don't justify it at this point. Schneider is making 6 million. I think thats the High end of what we get Bishop for.

And how many top end goalies hit free agency at an age with still 5-7 years left of productive play in the league? Last time it happened arguably was Bryzgalov who got what 8 million per season on a long term deal? Schneider btw was also RFA when he signed that deal.

Like I said Bishop will not end up in the 7.5-8.5 range. Since he will be signing a 6/7 year term. Around 6 million. The poster wanted Bishop for 2/3 years. The only way Bishop would consider turning down the guaranteed money in the longterm contract (an offer he will most assuredly get as way more teams need goalies than goalies available) is if he gets a ridiculous amount of money on a short contract.

People overpay on July 1st. It's the reality. But sometimes you need to do it when you have holes to fill. See big money signings like Marian Hossa and Zdeno Chara. Sometimes it's a Bryzgalov or Clarkson. But you have to try when you have holes.

Thinking Bishop is going to take a 12/15 million dollar contract is absurd, IMO.

Wouldn't have been too bad last summer either as a UFA. That means we didn't give up any assets so if we lose him to expansion we aren't out anything. We paid him for 1 year and got 1 year's value out of him. And if he is taken then no one else is. I don't see a downside. Just wanted to correct that XD perception because it keeps popping up in one context or another.

Having him this year might have eased Helle's transition. Wouldn't have hurt anyway and would have kept Pav in the A.

Playing behind our team D? Not likely to produce big come-back seasons from either of those. Goalies really are voodoo but I would rather go for the one who is actually playing well this year.

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[puck stoppa]

Trouba and Perreault
for
Krug, Spooner, Carlo

You heard it here first

 

[garret9]

Trouba and Perreault
for
Krug, Spooner, Carlo

You heard it here first

Do you want to kill me?

 

[portamoral]

trouba> any other D besides those very few guys in that OEL tier but they aren't getting traded

little>duchene

how about we just keep our good team together and find a new coach

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Originally posted by Flair Hay
Does everyone prefer to save a mil or two AAV to go with a goalie without a good track record as a starter? Even if they have a great save percentage over the years? Bishop has won playoff rounds and played in big games.

There's a difference between putting up a .920 as a backup and .920 over multiple 60 game seasons.

If people are assuming price will be too high, or term way too long (5-6 years) I get it.

To me, paying $3M over a few years for a career backup like Greiss is asking for the same problems we have this year.

I believe 2yrsx6 or 3x5 should be enough to get Bishop here. Maybe a wee bit more if it was the difference between having a good vet and not.

You have a point about paying. The trouble is there is no way to tell if Bishop is just having an off year or if this is the new normal.

Somebody probably gives him 6x6+, about 38-40 mil total. Greiss might be a risk of 9-15 mil. His contract would expire soon after Hellebuyck makes him the backup.

Greiss has been a starter for the last 2 years, put up .925 and won a PO round. They had the same # of PO games last season. Last year sv%s of .925 and .926. This year Greiss leads .925 to .910. The difference in reputation is more likely to get a favourable contract from Greiss than it is to lead to better play from Bishop.

 

[puck stoppa]

You have a point about paying. The trouble is there is no way to tell if Bishop is just having an off year or if this is the new normal.

Somebody probably gives him 6x6+, about 38-40 mil total. Greiss might be a risk of 9-15 mil. His contract would expire soon after Hellebuyck makes him the backup.

Greiss has been a starter for the last 2 years, put up .925 and won a PO round. They had the same # of PO games last season. Last year sv%s of .925 and .926. This year Greiss leads .925 to .910. The difference in reputation is more likely to get a favourable contract from Greiss than it is to lead to better play from Bishop.

I do think Helly will be a fine goalie. But I get what youre saying, Chevy maybe kinda owes it to these vets to give them a chance before their primes are all but done to have a stud between the pipes next September to see what this team can be with a stud in net. They have never had that minus that one hot year from Pavs which we made the playoffs of course. Helly will get there but maybe not next year.

 

[gbill2004*]

My buddy who lives out east and is a big Habs fan said there's talk in Montreal that the Jets are shopping Bryan Little and that the Habs are interested. He added that there have been lots of Jets scouts at Habs games lately.

 

[Gm0ney]

My buddy who lives out east and is a big Habs fan said there's talk in Montreal that the Jets are shopping Bryan Little and that the Habs are interested. He added that there have been lots of Jets scouts at Habs games lately.

Any word on who the Jets would want from the Habs?

 

[gbill2004*]

Any word on who the Jets would want from the Habs?

Nope. He didn't say. He said Little is the type of player Bergevin loves.

Might be expansion draft related so we can keep more young guys.

 

[puck stoppa]

Do you want to kill me?

Okay well throw in petan if need be

 

[YWGinYYZ]

My buddy who lives out east and is a big Habs fan said there's talk in Montreal that the Jets are shopping Bryan Little and that the Habs are interested. He added that there have been lots of Jets scouts at Habs games lately.

Do you have a source other than your buddy?

 

[gbill2004*]

Do you have a source other than your buddy?

No. The point of this thread is "rumours". Every post in this thread is speculation. [mod]

 

[SCP Guy]

My buddy who lives out east and is a big Habs fan said there's talk in Montreal that the Jets are shopping Bryan Little and that the Habs are interested. He added that there have been lots of Jets scouts at Habs games lately.

Unless he has a friend in the organization I would not put much stock in what a big fan has to say....
I'm a big jets fan and say the jets are interested in McDavid... See that was easy

 

[DeepFrickinValue]

Nope. He didn't say. He said Little is the type of player Bergevin loves.

Might be expansion draft related so we can keep more young guys.

Sergachev would be nice. Jets would have to add though.

 

[gbill2004*]

Unless he has a friend in the organization I would not put much stock in what a big fan has to say....
I'm a big jets fan and say the jets are interested in McDavid... See that was easy

That's fair. I guess he hears what's on the local talk radio etc.

 

[pucka lucka]

Little for Fucale and Barberio. You heard it hear first!

 

[YWGinYYZ]

No. The point of this thread is "rumours". Every post in this thread is speculation. [mod]

There's a difference between a rumour:

"Darren Dreger / Bob McKenzie states that there is talk between ..."

...and hearsay / speculation. Speculation is fine, if it's presented as such. I was simply asking if there was supporting evidence for this, or if it was speculation amongst non-connected sources.

 

[gbill2004*]

There's a difference between a rumour:

"Darren Dreger / Bob McKenzie states that there is talk between ..."

...and hearsay / speculation. Speculation is fine, if it's presented as such. I was simply asking if there was supporting evidence for this, or if it was speculation amongst non-connected sources.

I didn't say Dreger or McKenzie reported it. I said my friend heard it. That was crystal clear in my initial post.

 

[Atoyot]

Do you want to kill me?

Just imagine it garret, Stanley-Carlo as the Jets top d pair for the next decade!

 

[YWGinYYZ]

I didn't say Dreger or McKenzie reported it. I said my friend heard it. That was crystal clear in my initial post.

You stated that "there's talk in Montreal" - I questioned if there was a source beyond your buddy. It wasn't clear if it was from a media source or simply fans talking. I used the Dreger example as the difference between what HFBoards considers a rumour, and what it considers speculation - no more, no less.

 

[garret9]

Okay well throw in petan if need be

My soul just broke in half. I am now a Bruins fan in this hypothetical terrible world.

 

[puck stoppa]

But I do agree with whileee. I want trouba here long term hope he stays. But if not a shakeup would be alright. Grab a player like landeskog or Pasternak for trouba and then move wheeler or little for a dman like hamonic. I really think that a shakeup like whileee mentions would be good.

 

[DudeWhereIsMakar]

Ekman-Larsson is apparently available.

I think something can get done around Trouba.

 

[puck stoppa]

Ekman-Larsson is apparently available.

I think something can get done around Trouba.

He's unreal. Would need extension tho to make it worth it.

 

[Skiffer55]

He's unreal. Would need extension tho to make it worth it.

Yeah, would be worried he'd get to UFA in 2 years and leave for the highest bidder. OEL is so friggin good