Player Discussion Jakob Chychrun (D)

[h2]

They should trade him to Utah

This is the way

 

[Sting]

We didn't discuss an extension with him and he doesn't seem to want to stay, so why keep him past the deadline?

Missed opportunity to maximize his value. Now we'll be very fortunate to get a DeBrincat type return for him.

Completely agree but you also need a suitor to make a reasonable offer. Obviously that never happened.

I also trust this management group more than Pierre to make a good deal. The track record isn't there but something tells me they aren't going to just give him away for free like Dorion would've.

 

[hockey20000]

if cant get extension at decent price trade him he has not been the dman i was sold on lol

 

[BondraTime]

if cant get extension at decent price trade him he has not been the dman i was sold on lol

They aren't even going to try for an extension

We didn't discuss an extension with him and he doesn't seem to want to stay, so why keep him past the deadline?

Missed opportunity to maximize his value. Now we'll be very fortunate to get a DeBrincat type return for him.

Likely because nobody wanted to trade anything of value for him at the deadline, they were certainly looking to move him

 

[NyQuil]

He should probably have taken a look at his own play, the guy was among the leaders in lazy soft plays this year.

He didn’t exactly do himself any favours with his season overall.

 

[Adrianopolous]

He should probably have taken a look at his own play, the guy was among the leaders in lazy soft plays this year.

That's what being eliminated in November does to you

 

[redbrick98]

They aren't even going to try for an extension


Likely because nobody wanted to trade anything of value for him at the deadline, they were certainly looking to move him

If they move Chychrun would this not lead into players not being held accountable ...

The same basic losing core that's been here season after season would still be here with Chychrun out of the picture.



If they identify fixing the issue by holding the players accountable should they not strike at the Losing core that's been too comfortable here for far too long .... ?

 

[BondraTime]

If they move Chychrun would this not lead into players not being held accountable ...

The same basic losing core that's been here season after season would still be here with Chychrun out of the picture.



If they identify fixing the issue by holding the players accountable should they not strike at the Losing core that's been too comfortable here for far too long .... ?

Chychrun has been absolutely terrible, doesn't fit the team, and doesn't want to be here. It only makes sense, from both the team and player, to not even think about an extension.

It won't be the only move, but it's the only automatic.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

We didn't discuss an extension with him and he doesn't seem to want to stay, so why keep him past the deadline?

Missed opportunity to maximize his value. Now we'll be very fortunate to get a DeBrincat type return for him.

The prices at the deadline were extremely low, so I don't blame them. It was a buyer's market.

If Chychrun is willing to sign with a few different teams, and they can do a contract as part of a trade, they might get a greater return.

That didn't workout with Debrincat because Debrincat only wanted to go to one team. Most players don't negotiate against themselves like Debrincat did. He may have cost of himself 10's of millions of dollars but taking a hometown discount for his big UFA contract.

If a contender is willing to do something like 6.5M 7-8 years with Chychrun - I assume he signs that and doesn't risk pulling a Klingberg.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Why would Chychrun want to be here? He doesn't fit and the only way for him to really be an important player for us is to make massive changes to his game.

We didn't discuss an extension with him and he doesn't seem to want to stay, so why keep him past the deadline?

Missed opportunity to maximize his value. Now we'll be very fortunate to get a DeBrincat type return for him.

1sts moved for these guys at the deadline:
- VAN 1st for Lindholm (also received mild/medium cap dump, B & C prospect, mid-rounder)
- WPG 1st for Monahan
- COL 1st + RyJo 2yrs @ 4m for Walker + 5th
- EDM 1st + two mid-rounders for Henrique + Carrick
- VGK 1st + 2nd/3rd + 5th + Miromanov for Hanifin
- VGK 1st '25 + Edstrom for Hertl + two 3rds

Tanev returned 2nd, 3rd + Grushnikov.

If they didn't shop him with retention that was a mistake imo, but the market was heavily slanted towards buyers and the big assets that moved went to guys who Chychrun is at best a plan B for.

I think we'll get a little more than what we got for Debrincat, but not necessarily with an asset that is as good as BOS 1st (which, lets be fair, isn't an especially good asset).

 

[GCK]

We didn't discuss an extension with him and he doesn't seem to want to stay, so why keep him past the deadline?

Missed opportunity to maximize his value. Now we'll be very fortunate to get a DeBrincat type return for him.

Returns at the deadline this season here terrible.

 

[Tuna99]

Chychrun has been absolutely terrible, doesn't fit the team, and doesn't want to be here. It only makes sense, from both the team and player, to not even think about an extension.

It won't be the only move, but it's the only automatic.

He’s done. Management and coaching saying they want commitment and details and Chychryn won’t commit and sucks at the details.

Man poor Staois has to fix Dorion’s homework and the dude failed every single subject

 

[Adrianopolous]

Looks like we're heading into next year with a worse roster

 

[GCK]

Why would Chychrun want to be here? He doesn't fit and the only way for him to really be an important player for us is to make massive changes to his game.


1sts moved for these guys at the deadline:
- VAN 1st for Lindholm (also received mild/medium cap dump, B & C prospect, mid-rounder)
- WPG 1st for Monahan
- COL 1st + RyJo 2yrs @ 4m for Walker + 5th
- EDM 1st + two mid-rounders for Henrique + Carrick
- VGK 1st + 2nd/3rd + 5th + Miromanov for Hanifin
- VGK 1st '25 + Edstrom for Hertl + two 3rds

Tanev returned 2nd, 3rd + Grushnikov.

If they didn't shop him with retention that was a mistake imo, but the market was heavily slanted towards buyers and the big assets that moved went to guys who Chychrun is at best a plan B for.

I think we'll get a little more than what we got for Debrincat, but not necessarily with an asset that is as good as BOS 1st (which, lets be fair, isn't an especially good asset).

We can't retain into next year since Dorion hooped us with the cap.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

If they move Chychrun would this not lead into players not being held accountable ...

The same basic losing core that's been here season after season would still be here with Chychrun out of the picture.



If they identify fixing the issue by holding the players accountable should they not strike at the Losing core that's been too comfortable here for far too long .... ?

The problem is that unless they are going to trade Stutzle, Sanderson, Greig, Zub, Batherson, Pinto, or Tkachuk, nobody wants the pieces of the core that the fans actually want moved.

Teams aren't lining up to acquire Norris (shoulder), Chabot (overpaid), or Korpisalo (is Korpisalo).

They obviously aren't moving Giroux, and he has a NMC.

If they want to send a message, they could move Chabot, but it will be the definition of selling low. Based on what AGM Bruce Garrioch says, it would require salary considerations. So you're probably looking at retention, or taking back a bad contract, or a hockey trade for another overpaid player.

There aren't a lot of avenues to radically change this roster because everybody is locked up.

 

[Adrianopolous]

The problem is that unless they are going to trade Stutzle, Sanderson, Greig, Zub, Batherson, Pinto, or Tkachuk, nobody wants the pieces of the core that the fans actually want moved.

Teams aren't lining up to acquire Norris (shoulder), Chabot (overpaid), or Korpisalo (is Korpisalo).

They obviously aren't moving Giroux, and he has a NMC.

If they want to send a message, they could move Chabot, but it will be the definition of selling low. Based on what AGM Bruce Garrioch says, it would require salary considerations. So you're probably looking at retention, or taking back a bad contract, or a hockey trade for another overpaid player.

There aren't a lot of avenues to radically change this roster because everybody is locked up.

So you're saying essentially we're f***ed LOL

 

[redbrick98]

The problem is that unless they are going to trade Stutzle, Sanderson, Greig, Zub, Batherson, Pinto, or Tkachuk, nobody wants the pieces of the core that the fans actually want moved.

Teams aren't lining up to acquire Norris (shoulder), Chabot (overpaid), or Korpisalo (is Korpisalo).

They obviously aren't moving Giroux, and he has a NMC.

If they want to send a message, they could move Chabot, but it will be the definition of selling low. Based on what AGM Bruce Garrioch says, it would require salary considerations. So you're probably looking at retention, or taking back a bad contract, or a hockey trade for another overpaid player.

There aren't a lot of avenues to radically change this roster because everybody is locked up.

I think Chabots the play here.

If they don't strike at this losing core that's been allowed to play as they see fit with no consequences for losing: mistakes will keep getting overlooked and responsibilities will keep not being taken seriously. They'll be in the same place next year..

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

We can't retain into next year since Dorion hooped us with the cap.

I understand that perspective, but I would swallow it for one year. Identify cheap depth players, spend money wisely... put the onus on the core to step up.

I get why people would want to prioritize next season... just not how I would do it. Then again I've been saying that for several years now lol

 

[Agent Zub]

If they move Chychrun would this not lead into players not being held accountable ...

The same basic losing core that's been here season after season would still be here with Chychrun out of the picture.



If they identify fixing the issue by holding the players accountable should they not strike at the Losing core that's been too comfortable here for far too long .... ?

Chychrun isn't a fit just like DBC wasn't a fit. Better to move on from both.

But yea lol at people who think Chychrun and DBC were/are the problem and not the constants.

Like these guys come into a country club locker room with a bffs clique that calls the shot but doesn't know how to win or play as a team, and then we get mad them when they underperform and don't want to stay?

 

[PlayOn]

Chychrun isn't a fit just like DBC wasn't a fit. Better to move on from both.

But yea lol at people who think Chychrun and DBC were/are the problem and not the constants.

Like these guys come into a country club locker room with a bffs clique that calls the shot but doesn't know how to win or play as a team, and then we get mad them when they underperform and don't want to stay?

You take such issue with these alleged cliques and country club core players and I don’t know that a single player on this roster played with less effort than Chychrun this season. That’s on him regardless of what he walked into.

 

[Micklebot]

If they move Chychrun would this not lead into players not being held accountable ...

The same basic losing core that's been here season after season would still be here with Chychrun out of the picture.



If they identify fixing the issue by holding the players accountable should they not strike at the Losing core that's been too comfortable here for far too long .... ?

Lets hold players accountable by extending Chychrun, the guy who led the team in +/- (in a bad way).
While we're at it, lets re-sign Kubalik...

We need to make more changes than just Chychrun, but he hasn't been a fit, and it really doesn't make sense to keep him and Chabot. Given it will be harder to move Chabot due to his contract, it makes sense to move on from Chychrun who can likely get more value from despite him have imo a significantly worse season in most ways (not health though...)

 

[Agent Zub]

You take such issue with these alleged cliques and country club core players and I don’t know that a single player on this roster played with less effort than Chychrun this season. That’s on him regardless of what he walked into.

Chychrun actually had good effort when he first came in, and even early in this season.

Seems like his effort tanked when losing became the norm.

 

[mysens]

That's entirely too logical.

I dislike Chychrun the player as much as anyone on these boards but the body language experts nitpicking every detail every time he scores are a little much.

Not an expert at all, but when playing as a team, these signs are quite obvious....even more so after today's revelation. He does not want to stay in his hometown. Wondering if this comment today from him will garner us less leverage to move him.

 

[Icelevel]

Lol, how freaking funny would that be sending him right back to the team he came from, just in a different city

Perfect. I’d love Crouse and kesselring. Add a 3rd if needed.
Or just Crouse. Or kesselring+

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

Chychrun actually had good effort when he first came in, and even early in this season.

Seems like his effort tanked when losing became the norm.

What did his effort looked like when he first came in?

He has looked the exact same to me. Shys away from contact and uses his patented 1 hand on the stick poke check. Not to mention the amount of terrible turnovers and looking lost defensively.

It was cool to see him return home but the novelty wore off. He came as advertised, a guy that could put up decent offensive numbers but barely any talk about his defensive acumen.