Value of: Jake Bean to MTL

[Pierre Lebrun]

What gets this done from a CAR and MTL fan perspective?

Is Poehling of interest for CAR? 1st round pick? Both? Lehkonen +? More?

Not sure what the value is, but Bean appears to meet some of MTL's current needs. Not sure CAR would even want to part ways, but again, this seems to suit an organizational need for MTL.

Jake Bean
Ht/Wt:6'1", 186 lbs.
Born:Jun 9, 1998 (22 yrs)
SCOUTING REPORT

Can produce good point totals and score goals regularly. Makes very smart decisions with the puck. Excels at moving the puck quickly out of danger and can play mistake-free defense. Needs to fill out his 6-1 frame in order to maximize output in the National Hockey League. Also, he could stand to become a little more assertive in the defensive zone for the top level.
Long Range Potential:	Quality defenseman with upside.

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[Mersss]

Bean isn't worth a 1st rd pick. Maybe a similar change on scenary prospect like Poehling, but Habs aren't giving up a 1st for him.

 

[sansabri]

Bean isn't worth a 1st rd pick. Maybe a similar change on scenary prospect like Poehling, but Habs aren't giving up a 1st for him.

what

 

[Vasilevskiy]

Bean isn't worth a 1st rd pick. Maybe a similar change on scenary prospect like Poehling, but Habs aren't giving up a 1st for him.

Bean doesn't need a change of scenery. He is playing for a STACKED team on defense and are bringing him slowly. Just like we did with Sergachev.

Bean is going to be a very good defenseman

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Bean isn't worth a 1st rd pick. Maybe a similar change on scenary prospect like Poehling, but Habs aren't giving up a 1st for him.

Probably true. But there's zero reason to trade Bean for less than that or for a so-so forward prospect. Here's why:
1) Canes are very deep at forward and in forward prospects (Jarvis, Suzuki, Rees, Bokk, Drury, etc..)
2) The Canes have very few defensive prospects that are close to NHL ready (Maybe Keane? or Sellgren?)
3) While most of the NHL fans aren't paying attention, Bean's development has been very good. He made the all rookie team in the AHL his first season and last year (his 2nd season) he was AHL defenseman of the year. He's being brought along slowly and it seems to be working.
4) Bean has played well in his inaugural NHL season and provides an element no other Cane defenseman does in terms of his offense. Don't get me wrong, Hamilton has a way better shot and scores more, but Bean is more of a "traditional" PP QB and has some very good offensive instincts.
5) Canes are likely to lose a defenseman via the Expansion draft (Bean, Fleury, Skjei). They may also lose Hamilton to free agency if his contract demands are too high. On top of that, Gardiner can't be relied upon because of his back. Trading Bean, then losing another D to the expansion draft, and then losing Hamilton and/or if Gardiner can't come back, the Canes become very shallow at D in a hurry.

Most of us Canes fans hope that Bean is protected and Hamilton is signed after the expansion draft, but that's a risk.

Getting a 2nd (or later) round pick or a guy like Poehling makes no sense for Carolina.

 

[General Disarray]

Carolina probably won't trade with Bergevin anyway

 

[GoldiFox]

I wouldn't trade Bean for Montreal's 1st right now. Much less a B prospect.

Bean will be protected. He is the Canes Hamilton insurance. There is no reason to deal him save for a huge overpayment.

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

Bean will be protected. He is the Canes Hamilton insurance.

The Hamilton insurance "if" he doesn't re-sign is a 3rd pairing sheltered guy who has been persistently benched in tight games this year. FML.

 

[emptyNedder]

sheltered guy who has been persistently benched in tight games this year. FML.

There is definitely truth in that analysis. However, it is analysis without context. Brind'Amour has quite the history with not trusting younger players—in fact Necas was "benched" several times in tight games early this season, now he is a big contributor on the PK even in tied games in the 3rd.

Bean would likely be getting 18 minutes on most teams. The Canes have the luxury of sheltering/asking more from young players.

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

Brind'Amour has quite the history with not trusting younger players—in fact Necas was "benched" several times in tight games early this season, now he is a big contributor on the PK even in tied games in the 3rd.

That happened because two penalty killers and late game players in Teravainen and Trocheck were out of the lineup for an extended period. Necas has made the most of it and shown he can be trusted in those situations though.

 

[Svechhammer]

That happened because two penalty killers and late game players in Teravainen and Trocheck were out of the lineup for an extended period. Necas has made the most of it and shown he can be trusted in those situations though.

Fleury was benched at times last year and yet late in the year when we were dealing with injuries and he was forced to play, he thrived.

Don't confuse an unwillingness to play these guys as an indictment of their play, it's more that you just have to use your best players when the game is on the line, and we have a really high bar for being the best on the team right now.

 

[McJedi]

Bean isn't worth a 1st rd pick. Maybe a similar change on scenary prospect like Poehling, but Habs aren't giving up a 1st for him.

Poehling isn’t worth anything more than a mid round pick. He carries nearly no value. A Bracco type.

 

[Captain97]

Poehling isn’t worth anything more than a mid round pick. He carries nearly no value. A Bracco type.

Before this year I'd agree, but Poehling has looked really good this season and will likely be with the Habs next year.

 

[sheriff bart]

Bean isn't worth a 1st rd pick. Maybe a similar change on scenary prospect like Poehling, but Habs aren't giving up a 1st for him.

What the hell? Bean is a 22 year old Dman (they develop more slowly than forwards) who has made it to the NHL on a team deep in D. He's progressing just fine. I wouldn't take a 1st for him unless it was a top 10 pick, and then maybe not. That pick may or may not pan out to be equal to Bean in another 4 years. Also, he fits the cap situation quite nicely.

 

[McJedi]

Before this year I'd agree, but Poehling has looked really good this season and will likely be with the Habs next year.

A career minor leaguer for an NHL level 22 year old Dman on one of the league’s best teams with one of its best D core’s... this isn’t remotely a fair deal.

 

[Captain97]

A career minor leaguer for an NHL level 22 year old Dman on one of the league’s best teams with one of its best D core’s... this isn’t remotely a fair deal.

I didn't say poehling for Bean was a fair deal just said he's worth more than a mid round pick.

Also Poehling is a career minor leaguer? He is in his second pro season and is doing very well. Seems early to judge a 22 year old no?

 

[McJedi]

I didn't say poehling for Bean was a fair deal just said he's worth more than a mid round pick.

Also Poehling is a career minor leaguer? He is in his second pro season and is doing very well. Seems early to judge a 22 year old no?

Poehling is a 22 year old former 1st round pick playing minor league hockey. At some point, you make it or you don’t. He’s nearing that point where the shine wears off the draft status.

one of your many irrational fans suggested Bean for Poehling. You could add Mete and the Habs are still adding to get value closer to even.

 

[HuGo Sham]

Poehling isn’t worth anything more than a mid round pick. He carries nearly no value. A Bracco type.

do a bit of research on Poehling's significant strides in the AHL this year before posting uninformed opinions. He still projects as a 3C with size who can play a 200 foot game. Not insignificant

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

As a Canes fan, this offer as a starting point isn’t even close. We like Bean a lot. He’s played great this year and the expansion draft is going to clear up some log jam on the back end.

Don’t see the Habs having anyone reasonably available that we would trade Bean for. Poehling and Lekhonen types are not adequate pieces. As others mentioned, we are stacked with good forward prospects so these guys don’t move the needle at all. I’d be interested in Primeau though.

 

[Rockomax]

Carolina probably won't trade with Bergevin anyway

Why? They traded Edmundson to Mtl after the weak offersheet

 

[McJedi]

do a bit of research on Poehling's significant strides in the AHL this year before posting uninformed opinions. He still projects as a 3C with size who can play a 200 foot game. Not insignificant

Then why would trade him given you’ll lose Danault this summer? Poehling doesn’t come remotely close to carrying the same value as Bean.

 

[belair]

Bean isn't worth a 1st rd pick. Maybe a similar change on scenary prospect like Poehling, but Habs aren't giving up a 1st for him.

Why would Bean need a change of scenery? When was he struggling? His trajectory has been on point.

 

[Surrounded By Ahos]

Why would Bean need a change of scenery? When was he struggling? His trajectory has been on point.

This is hf, where you’re a bust if you aren’t a full time nhl player by your draft+2 season.

 

[HuGo Sham]

Then why would trade him given you’ll lose Danault this summer? Poehling doesn’t come remotely close to carrying the same value as Bean.

I'm not trading poehling before i know what's up with danault. I don't want Bean either - the habs are loaded at LD -harris, struble, guhle, norlinder, fairbrother, leskinen etc..

from Eric engels who watches poehling more than me, and certainly, more than you:

Hey Canucky, thanks for the question.
I’m not sure what the insinuation is here, but here’s the reality behind Ryan Poehling’s progression: there’s nothing wrong with the speed of it.


Yes, he was a first-round pick in 2017, and no, he hasn’t been able to live up to unreasonable expectations that were set when he made his NHL debut with a hat trick and a shootout winner in the last (meaningless) game of the 2018-19 season.
But that’s not some sort of failure on Poehling’s part. And what happened after he returned to Montreal last fall and appeared like a player who was all but locked into a roster spot with the Canadiens is all part of a normal progression for a young player. He had great momentum in training camp before he suffered a concussion in a pre-season game.
It couldn’t have been easy, physically, but certainly mentally for Poehling to watch others leap ahead of him in the depth chart while he was recovering — and I think that was apparent in the way Poehling played both in Laval and Montreal last season. He had high expectations for himself, and it appeared hard for him to accept that he was further away than he thought when he had been so close to the NHL he could taste it.
But if you’ve watched the Rocket this season, you can see Poehling has realized being in the AHL can make him a better NHL player down the line. He’s grown significantly in embracing that — he’s got seven goals and 16 points in 21 games and appears more confident and assertive in his play.
Poehling, who was drafted 25th overall (not third like Kotkaniemi or 13th like Suzuki), turned 22 years old in January. He looks like a capable NHLer right now, which is what you want to hear about a prospect his age.
That’s the real story.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Bean isn't worth a 1st rd pick. Maybe a similar change on scenary prospect like Poehling, but Habs aren't giving up a 1st for him.

Lmao what? Romanov also not worth a 1st?