Value of: Jack Eichel and the Buffalo Sabres

[hidek91]

The Sabres don't know how to draft players. So we need proven players, not more draft picks.

If you don't know how to draft players, then you need to learn that in this league.

Until then, nothing you do matters, your team will be mediocre at best.

 

[wasunder]

eichel is 24, on his 3rd coach. 3rd gm. never made playoffs. sabres will retain salary to get a 1st & take cap dumps and prospects. kessel to penguins is prototype for eichel trade. what gm will willingly risk his job for a kingslayer? yzerman might be the only one & he won't lose bertuzzi, larkin or seider.

24? Man the guy should just retire already.

 

[tsujimoto74]

Of course they do. It literally just happened to Pierre-Luc Dubois.

The Blue Jackets are just fortunate that they could swap him with another promising player who needed a change of scenery (largely due to wild contract demands).

PLD just half-assed his play rather than outright quitting on his team, and even that was noteworthy because that's basically never how it happens. And he still returned another young star despite that (and also despite the fact that he's nothing close to the player Eichel is even when he's trying his damnedest).

Feel free to keep living in a fantasy world where the Sabres trade Eichel to your team for spare parts because ????, but that's just not going to happen. Eichel would have to have a figurative gun to the Sabres' head, and he would still return a king's ransom.

 

[wunderpanda]

24? Man the guy should just retire already.

3 regime changes with the same 24 year old franchise center says a lot about the franchise center. jack could be amazing on a team that doesn't need him. could be enough to elevate detroit while larkin does the heavy lifting, would flop in ottawa replacing stepan. jack needs a happy place like kessel had in pittsburgh.

 

[bernmeister]

Agreed. Want an elite player, you’re going to give up shit that is going to hurt.

eichel is 24, on his 3rd coach. 3rd gm. never made playoffs. sabres will retain salary to get a 1st & take cap dumps and prospects. kessel to penguins is prototype for eichel trade. what gm will willingly risk his job for a kingslayer? yzerman might be the only one & he won't lose bertuzzi, larkin or seider.

IMO logic proves THIS is how it works
1. it is estab that Eichel, who is under contract, actually wants out. Otherwise he stays.
2. Suitors DO have to give up a lot of shit, approaching the point where it hurts, which is spurred on by competitive bidding.
3. However, at no point do we pass the cut your nose to spite your face mark. There IS a single extra straw that breaks the camel's back. There IS a point at which it becomes too much.
4. So the concept of hurt is relative and capped, Not all clubs have equal resources, esp preferred trade asset resources. The level of hurt is thus different for different clubs at any given time.
5. Taking into account a combo of #s 4 and 3 above, the correct perspective to expect is more of wince to significant wince than hurt.
6. Now all that said, the other perspective needs to be recognized in measured proportion as well. Eichel is bonafide elite. Yes, his huge cap may require cap dumps going to BUF only to provide adequate actual or approximate cap balance, but that does not mean there will be a shortage [within the reasonable parameters identified above] to make an offer, a hefty, substantial, qualified offer, for Eichel.
7. Remember depending on exact situation, a team may partially overpay a bit even more to deny a competitor, esp one in same division, from acquiring the elite trade prize.
8. So in conclusion, neither of the above perspectives is spot on, the truth is somewhat in the middle as outlined.

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To repeat,
unless Jack himself wants out, he will stay.
BUF will recognize it must do more to keep him and incentivize Hall and that will likely mean dealing Dahlin for F and other help.

 

[phlocky]

IMO logic proves THIS is how it works
1. it is estab that Eichel, who is under contract, actually wants out. Otherwise he stays.
2. Suitors DO have to give up a lot of shit, approaching the point where it hurts, which is spurred on by competitive bidding.
3. However, at no point do we pass the cut your nose to spite your face mark. There IS a single extra straw that breaks the camel's back. There IS a point at which it becomes too much.
4. So the concept of hurt is relative and capped, Not all clubs have equal resources, esp preferred trade asset resources. The level of hurt is thus different for different clubs at any given time.
5. Taking into account a combo of #s 4 and 3 above, the correct perspective to expect is more of wince to significant wince than hurt.
6. Now all that said, the other perspective needs to be recognized in measured proportion as well. Eichel is bonafide elite. Yes, his huge cap may require cap dumps going to BUF only to provide adequate actual or approximate cap balance, but that does not mean there will be a shortage [within the reasonable parameters identified above] to make an offer, a hefty, substantial, qualified offer, for Eichel.
7. Remember depending on exact situation, a team may partially overpay a bit even more to deny a competitor, esp one in same division, from acquiring the elite trade prize.
8. So in conclusion, neither of the above perspectives is spot on, the truth is somewhat in the middle as outlined.

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To repeat,
unless Jack himself wants out, he will stay.
BUF will recognize it must do more to keep him and incentivize Hall and that will likely mean dealing Dahlin for F and other help.

Holy crap, we'll take Dahlin right now if that's the case. He's ED exempt so we don't have to worry about protecting him and this would set our defense up for 10 years.

What's the price in the way of our forwards for him???

TK, Frost, and a pick???

 

[truthbluth]

IMO logic proves THIS is how it works
1. it is estab that Eichel, who is under contract, actually wants out. Otherwise he stays.
2. Suitors DO have to give up a lot of shit, approaching the point where it hurts, which is spurred on by competitive bidding.
3. However, at no point do we pass the cut your nose to spite your face mark. There IS a single extra straw that breaks the camel's back. There IS a point at which it becomes too much.
4. So the concept of hurt is relative and capped, Not all clubs have equal resources, esp preferred trade asset resources. The level of hurt is thus different for different clubs at any given time.
5. Taking into account a combo of #s 4 and 3 above, the correct perspective to expect is more of wince to significant wince than hurt.
6. Now all that said, the other perspective needs to be recognized in measured proportion as well. Eichel is bonafide elite. Yes, his huge cap may require cap dumps going to BUF only to provide adequate actual or approximate cap balance, but that does not mean there will be a shortage [within the reasonable parameters identified above] to make an offer, a hefty, substantial, qualified offer, for Eichel.
7. Remember depending on exact situation, a team may partially overpay a bit even more to deny a competitor, esp one in same division, from acquiring the elite trade prize.
8. So in conclusion, neither of the above perspectives is spot on, the truth is somewhat in the middle as outlined.

==============

To repeat,
unless Jack himself wants out, he will stay.
BUF will recognize it must do more to keep him and incentivize Hall and that will likely mean dealing Dahlin for F and other help.

 

[Confucius]

I would love Jack on the Habs and would definitely pay Kotkaniemi+ or Suzuki+ for him but there’s just no possible way to make the cap $$ work.

That’s too bad.

Maybe a 1st+ at the deadline for Hall would be more realistic?

Why would the Habs make a deadline trade? Trying to avoid last?

 

[Baksfamous112]

Why would the Habs make a deadline trade? Trying to avoid last?

Why not?

 

[nbwingsfan]

No, we can. He's under contract for 5 more years. Even if decided he wanted out, his only choice other than keep playing for Buffalo is to sit at home in breach of contract.

But we know that teams will almost never keep a player that's disgruntled, ruining the dressing room and not trying.

If a high end player makes it known he wants to be traded, he will be.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

IMO logic proves THIS is how it works
1. it is estab that Eichel, who is under contract, actually wants out. Otherwise he stays.
2. Suitors DO have to give up a lot of shit, approaching the point where it hurts, which is spurred on by competitive bidding.
3. However, at no point do we pass the cut your nose to spite your face mark. There IS a single extra straw that breaks the camel's back. There IS a point at which it becomes too much.
4. So the concept of hurt is relative and capped, Not all clubs have equal resources, esp preferred trade asset resources. The level of hurt is thus different for different clubs at any given time.
5. Taking into account a combo of #s 4 and 3 above, the correct perspective to expect is more of wince to significant wince than hurt.
6. Now all that said, the other perspective needs to be recognized in measured proportion as well. Eichel is bonafide elite. Yes, his huge cap may require cap dumps going to BUF only to provide adequate actual or approximate cap balance, but that does not mean there will be a shortage [within the reasonable parameters identified above] to make an offer, a hefty, substantial, qualified offer, for Eichel.
7. Remember depending on exact situation, a team may partially overpay a bit even more to deny a competitor, esp one in same division, from acquiring the elite trade prize.
8. So in conclusion, neither of the above perspectives is spot on, the truth is somewhat in the middle as outlined.

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To repeat,
unless Jack himself wants out, he will stay.
BUF will recognize it must do more to keep him and incentivize Hall and that will likely mean dealing Dahlin for F and other help.

I don’t know why you believe all that means moving Dahlin when they can get forward help without moving him.

 

[Techcoockie]

Both Teams cannot do 1 thing well and keep it going, they always fall apart.

MTL needs a top 10 players and have the pieces for Buffalo to retool.

To Montreal:

- Eichel

To Buffalo:

- Kotkaniemi, Ghule, Norlinder, Danault, Tatar.

 

[Diaspora]

I think an off-season trade to LA makes a lot of sense. They're out of conference, have a bunch of space opening up in the next few years, still have a few productive years from Doughty and Kopitar remaining, as well as a deep pool of prospects/young players to entice the Sabres.

Can't see Buffalo trading him within the conference. They're going to get a comparable package no matter where they send Eichel so I suspect they'll send him west. I hope it's the Sharks but not pretending like it's good odds. Probably Colorado.

NYR, Philly, Columbus, Jersey and especially Toronto, Montreal will have to wait until he's a UFA.

How bout this?

To LA: Eichel, Skinner (waives NMC) ($19m)
To Buffalo: Byfield, Kaliyev or 2021 1st, Maata, Quick, Carter, 2022 2nd ($15m)

 

[Beezeral]

NYR, Philly, Columbus, Jersey and especially Toronto, Montreal will have to wait until he's a UFA.

How bout this?

To LA: Eichel, Skinner (waives NMC) ($19m)
To Buffalo: Byfield, Kaliyev or 2021 1st, Maata, Quick, Carter, 2022 2nd ($15m)

too much money going each way to ever happen in the NHL.

 

[AvroArrow]

That seems very underwhelming for Eichel

 

[Gabrielor]

Pass. Would want younger, more elite prospects. LAK and NYR would have the decided edge in an Eichel sweepstakes.

 

[SpeakingOfTheDevils]

That’s putrid.

 

[CraigsList]

Tell me why Buffalo would want to watch Eichel 5x every year, on a different team.

 

[axlrose87]

Buffalo may very well trade eichel but the team acquiring him will feel quite uncomfortable with what they gave up.
This offer would not even come remotely close

 

[Yatzhee]

And again, Eichel, if traded, won't be going for quantity.

 

[truthbluth]

Lovely

 

[unicornpig]

Friedman says kings could make the trade. What would be fair?

 

[Perennial]

A 3rd team would need to be involved... as Danault and Tatar have no long term value to the Sabres unless they sign extensions - which seems unlikely unless the Sabres are willing to overpay

Tatar and Danault to Calgary for a 2021 1st, Pelletier, Bennett, Lucic

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Woof. That is a horrendous offer.

 

[Groo]

A 3rd team would need to be involved... as Danault and Tatar have no long term value to the Sabres unless they sign extensions - which seems unlikely unless the Sabres are willing to overpay

Tatar and Danault to Calgary for a 2021 1st, Pelletier, Bennett, Lucic

Woof!!!