Why? Because he wouldn't wear a rainbow jersey??I’m hot after Puljujarvi, so sounds good to me.
No doubt the Flyers are gonna come to work wishing they could get half of what they could’ve had 2 weeks ago.
Why? Because he wouldn't wear a rainbow jersey??I’m hot after Puljujarvi, so sounds good to me.
No doubt the Flyers are gonna come to work wishing they could get half of what they could’ve had 2 weeks ago.
Read my post above.Why? Because he wouldn't wear a rainbow jersey??
I think you forgot who stills run these teams. Provorov will still get some very good pieces in return.I’m hot after Puljujarvi, so sounds good to me.
No doubt the Flyers are gonna come to work wishing they could get half of what they could’ve had 2 weeks ago.
Also remember we have Chuck Fletcher who is all too willing to let other GMs take him by the balls and thank them for it.I think you forgot who stills run these teams. Provorov will still get some very good pieces in return.
Don't let that cool you off of Puljujarvi though. I'm sure the Flyers could scrounge up something to make it work
Oh stop… because he didn’t want to wear a rainbow jersey due to his religion / personal beliefs? It’s not like he was involved in a hate crime. He just sat out the warm up. If any teams evaluation of him as a player/person was effected by that then they are a joke of a franchise.After tonight's fiasco I would not be surprised at all to see teams back away from him and they should. His value is less than it was before tonight's game that for sure.
Is this for real?? Like the sunk cost on Myers and OEL wasn't enough of a lesson???I’d love Provorov with the Canucks
Like it or not, hockey organizations are part of a local community, and those communities have people represented by the rainbow jersey. Any player who can’t bring himself to even wearing a specifically colored jersey in warmup out of a personal belief that sees that part of the franchise‘s community as lesser or eternally sinful humans is unquestionably creating problems for the organization. It’s dumb to pretend this isn’t a real issue, it’s just a matter of just how willing each organization is to try to manage these issues or risking alienating a part of their fanbase or even co-workers next to or on the ice (which includes all those in favor of these small symbols).Oh stop… because he didn’t want to wear a rainbow jersey due to his religion / personal beliefs? It’s not like he was involved in a hate crime. He just sat out the warm up. If any teams evaluation of him as a player/person was effected by that then they are a joke of a franchise.
I disagree.Like it or not, hockey organizations are part of a local community, and those communities have people represented by the rainbow jersey. Any player who can’t bring himself to even wearing a specifically colored jersey in warmup out of a personal belief that sees that part of the franchise‘s community as lesser or eternally sinful humans is unquestionably creating problems for the organization. It’s dumb to pretend this isn’t a real issue, it’s just a matter of just how willing each organization is to try to manage these issues or risking alienating a part of their fanbase or even co-workers next to or on the ice (which includes all those in favor of these small symbols).
That’s on you, then. What do you think those religious beliefs are, precisely, that make it untenable to wear a specifically colored jersey? I was being quite diplomatic in phrasing it as him seeing these people as sinners for merely living their lives.He wasn’t disrespectful or hateful.
How many people in the community do you think really feel “represented by the rainbow jersey.” He didn’t say anyone was “lesser or eternally sinful.” He said he felt uncomfortable due to his religious beliefs. I don’t see how that alienates people.
Yes, no tolerance for intolerance, that being the only way to go has long been established. But obviously he hasn’t been canceled, he’s just getting to hear people’s opinion of his actions.The small percentage of people who will actually care are being so tolerant that they become intolerant of his views. Kiss the ring or get canceled.
They are acting as employees and getting paid for it. Feel free to give workers and employees vastly more rights across the board, but at the moment, there’s not much unfair about being asked to wear a special jersey for a few minutes on company time.I guarantee you there are players on the ice who feel uncomfortable with it, but they just go along to avoid the aggravation. Is that really fair to them?
A lot of these guys are raised in different countries, different cultures, different financial situations, and under different religions. You’re not supposed to be telling people what they can and can’t think or believe. That’s not fair or right. People are not, nor should they be, lemmings. If the guy went off on some crazy tirade I’d agree with you. Him being true to his beliefs and just respectfully refraining from wearing a rainbow jersey is fine to me.That’s on you, then. What do you think those religious beliefs are, precisely, that make it untenable to wear a specifically colored jersey? I was being quite diplomatic in phrasing it as him seeing these people as sinners for merely living their lives.
They are acting as employees and getting paid for it. Feel free to give workers and employees vastly more rights across the board, but at the moment, there’s not much unfair about being asked to wear a special jersey for a few minutes on company time.
You don’t see the obvious correlation between this and religion? It’s as clear as day.What is this even supposed to mean? Who are the leaders in this analogy? Who is being forced to partake in a religion? This is a guy working for a company, who can’t bring himself to follow the company’s order to show a sign of respect to some of the company‘s customers.
That’s obviously wrong. Societies put up rules they see fit to live among each other, be it through constitutions, laws, codes or mere social customs. You are absolutely right and probably even encouraged to talk to people when their beliefs are antithetical to any of the above. They can continue to think whatever they like, but when their thoughts turn to actions, like in this case in the form of him denying to participate in a company event, it’s entirely natural that there are consequences, whether they’re legally or socially enforced.A lot of these guys are raised in different countries, different cultures, different financial situations, and under different religions. You’re not supposed to be telling people what they can and can’t think or believe. That’s not fair or right.
Yes. On other platforms I’ve been vocal about specifically SA, Quatar, Tukey and other places where intolerant religious ideologies are being utilized to augment human suffering.If this guy was a Muslim from Saudi Arabia would you be saying the same thing or would you be saying we need to respect his religious beliefs?
I don’t think he’s being respectful. I think he’s selectively enforcing rules from his religion in a way that very clearly communicates that he views people represented by those jerseys as somewhat lesser/flawed.Where I work, we aren’t supposed to wear anything political or religious to avoid polarizing people. I’m glad you’re 100% on board but not everyone is. I think there’s a right way and a wrong way to deal with that. The right way is stepping aside and being respectful of others.
Why wouldn't they just come up with an excuse to sit him for the game rather then create this shit storm and nuke his value? Like everyone is getting sick...just say he was sick and sit him out pride night and nobody ever knows Provorovs shitty values.
I agree with you throughout however I would say that Provorovs actions were more inaction. I also think as opposed to selectively enforcing rules, he is selectively not following rules based on his beliefs or interpretation of his religion. Subtly change to what you said above.That’s obviously wrong. Societies put up rules they see fit to live among each other, be it through constitutions, laws, codes or mere social customs. You are absolutely right and probably even encouraged to talk to people when their beliefs are antithetical to any of the above. They can continue to think whatever they like, but when their thoughts turn to actions, like in this case in the form of him denying to participate in a company event, it’s entirely natural that there are consequences, whether they’re legally or socially enforced.
Yes. On other platforms I’ve been vocal about specifically SA, Quatar, Tukey and other places where intolerant religious ideologies are being utilized to augment human suffering.
I don’t think he’s being respectful. I think he’s selectively enforcing rules from his religion in a way that very clearly communicates that he views people represented by those jerseys as somewhat lesser/flawed.
This instance went though our media cycle for about a month and there was no real consensus or conclusion on the right way to handle it.JVR and Laughton are their leaders on the LGBT stuff and they seemed pretty sad and annoyed having to deal with the Provorov questions from last night from the postgame videos.
Yes and no. They’ll have to answer questions, but I really think it blows over in a week or two. If he went on some tirade I could easily see it becoming a major distraction.Was going to say that Provorov making this choice (which is his right to do) affects his teammates as well. They now will be asked these questions. It’s a distraction. And any team he gets traded too is going to have to deal with them too.
It will blow over eventually though. No one ever really gets canceled.
He didn’t want to wear a rainbow shirt.You're right, they shouldn't be conflated. LGBT people have gone through far more suffering and marginalization historically.