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Last time i checked, the soccer section of this forum chose maradona ahead of pele in thier all time fantasy draft, doesnt seem like im the only one who loves maradona.
We have a soccer section?
Last time i checked, the soccer section of this forum chose maradona ahead of pele in thier all time fantasy draft, doesnt seem like im the only one who loves maradona.
We have a soccer section?
Click on "Page 2" on the top right corner of your screen under the notifications for your private messages. It will open up a whole new world of subforums.
(I don't think I knew about Page 2 until I became a mod, but there is a lot there)
Wilt Chamberlain was far, far more dominant than Kareem as far as NBA basketball goes. Kareem never had years like Chamberlain did. An aged Chamberlain is one of two men ever to block Kareem's skyhook (while Kareem was in his prime). Kareem was also dominated by Moses Malone in the 82 and 83 seasons and in the 83 Finals. Kareem's career scoring is far more likely to fall before Gretzky's career scoring, but Wilt's 50 pt season will be more difficult than either of those to accomplish.
what kinda cheating did Maradona do? and what are these so called facts you are talking about? and don't just use goal scored cause that is not the way to judge players especially in soccer.
Usvinder: we get it, you love Maradona. Fortunately, neither your love, nor internet voting can overcome a simple fact: Pele dominated his peers by far greater margins than Maradona. He also achieved greater far results than Maradona. Without cheating too. If you have any PROOF of the opposite, I'm waiting eagerly.
The stories about Wilt's defensive dominance are crazy, but I couldn't tell you if they were true.
Usvinder: we get it, you love Maradona. Fortunately, neither your love, nor internet voting can overcome a simple fact: Pele dominated his peers by far greater margins than Maradona. He also achieved greater far results than Maradona. Without cheating too. If you have any PROOF of the opposite, I'm waiting eagerly.
I'm not a baseball guy, but is home run dominance in an era where players tended not to swing for the fences really the best measure of a baseball player? (I'm aware of Ruth's pitching success and otherwise great play, but I don't see home run totals, especially from that era, as a good comparison to career batting averages in cricket. Wouldn't, say, career batting average be a more analogous comparison?)
When Orr wins a scoring title he is praised for being so good that he "changed the game". You are trying to use that argument to discredit Ruth when, really, it enhances his greatness.
I'm not trying to discredit Ruth. Couldn't care less, actually. My main point was that comparing a dominant single season to a career average is not a sensible comparison. Home run totals vs batting average isn't really either, especially when a seemingly more apples to apples comparison is available.
Ruth won the league home run race 54-19 in 1920. By 1922 guys like Hornsby caught on (Hornsby led HRs that year) and by the end of Ruth's career homers were much more common. Jimmie Foxx hit 58 while Ruth was still a Yankee (Ruth's record was 60), and Lou Gehrig posted four seasons with 45+.
Wilt Chamberlain was far, far more dominant than Kareem as far as NBA basketball goes. Kareem never had years like Chamberlain did. An aged Chamberlain is one of two men ever to block Kareem's skyhook (while Kareem was in his prime). Kareem was also dominated by Moses Malone in the 82 and 83 seasons and in the 83 Finals. Kareem's career scoring is far more likely to fall before Gretzky's career scoring, but Wilt's 50 pt season will be more difficult than either of those to accomplish.
Wilt Chamberlain was far, far more dominant than Kareem as far as NBA basketball goes. Kareem never had years like Chamberlain did. An aged Chamberlain is one of two men ever to block Kareem's skyhook (while Kareem was in his prime). Kareem was also dominated by Moses Malone in the 82 and 83 seasons and in the 83 Finals. Kareem's career scoring is far more likely to fall before Gretzky's career scoring, but Wilt's 50 pt season will be more difficult than either of those to accomplish.
I'm really impressed by some of you guys and gals who are extremely knowledgeable at more than one sport. Are their any hardcore fans of certain sports that can give me a quick rundown of maybe a top-ten for a sport that they feel comfortable representing? Like... I would imagine Babe Ruth is certainly top-ten material if not #1, but who else belongs up there? This is going to sound dumb, but is Derek Jeter a top-ten guy? Is Shaq? Is Tom Brady? Is Cobi Jones?
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Hulk Hogan
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Babe Ruth
Wayne Gretzky
Wilt Chamberlain
Muhammad Ali
Pele
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Michael Jordan
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Tiger Woods
Kareem Abdul Jabbar
Actually...
Hulk Hogan
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Babe Ruth
Wayne Gretzky
Wilt Chamberlain
Muhammad Ali
Pele
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Michael Jordan
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Tiger Woods
Kareem Abdul Jabbar
Ok, I defer to you somewhat. I have just heard some basketball fans say Kareem is the greatest ever. A lot of NBA legends have come and gone without touching his point totals. But Wilt could've been more dominating on the court.
I just saw much of that video titled Wilt Chamberlain-A Real Superman and you're right. Wilt was more dominating on the court but Kareem still has the edge in some stats. However Wilt AVERAGED 50 points a game one year and scored 100 points in ONE game!
That would be like a hockey player getting 8 or 9 goals in ONE game!
Kareem = Howe
Wilt = Orr
Jordan = Lemieux
Theres no Gretzky in that equation. If Gretzky doesnt exist i think #1 in hockey is more debatable. Lemieuxs stock rises without Gretzky.
Orr has the insane peak in an earlier era (like Wilt)
Howe has insane longevity/career accomplishment (like Kareem)
Lemieux is the more modern superman - viewed as the best player in the world while he played with an insane peak/prime (like Jordan)
Not exact equivalents by any stretch - yet similarities are there. Gretzky stands above all three because he beat them all in both prime peak and career accomplishments. NBA doesnt have a similar player to stand out amongst the trio