Injuries, Salary Cap and the CBA

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  1. Flash Walken

    Flash Walken Registered User

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    First, my apologies if this has been talked to death, maybe I'm an idiot, but I still don't really understand how the cap system works in relation to injuries.

    Sometimes it helps to use examples, so I'll offer this one out

    The Vancouver Canucks are missing key, valuable pieces of their team. Cloutier and 3.5 million per, cooke at 1.5 and allen at I-don't-know per.

    How does the bringing up of players from the minors screw with their cap? Are ther exemptions for bigtime injuries or time off?

    How does vancouver's only carrying 21 (I believe) skaters change this?

    thanks in advance
     
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    I think most of us are in the dark on this one, it would be nice if someone had some details on this, that they could share it...I think I did read that when a player misses 10 games or more, then insurance kicks in and pays his salary, and those 10 games salary are not charged vs the cap...not too sure on this...
     
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    I thought it was the replacement that doesn't count against the cap once the guy he is replacing has missed 10 games. Once the injured guy comes back, then they both start counting against the cap again.
     
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    The answer to your question is here:

    http://www.nhl.com/nhlhq/cba/index.html
     
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    The way I understand this, the injured player's salary counts, but the replacement player's salary does not. When the injured player returns to the lineup, the replacement player's salary starts to count against the cap if (and only if) both are kept on the big league roster.

    For example, Brian Leetch was recently injured, so Milan Jurcina was called up. Leetch's salary is still on the books but Jurcina's $900k is not, unless Jurcina sticks with the team after Leetch returns, in which case both salaries will count.
     
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    I already had a long debate with a Canuck fan about this very issue. A player must miss at least 10 games before he can be replaced without the replacements salary counting. Having alot of "short-term" injuries can really hurt a team that does not carry at least a 22-man roster and is close to the cap. If a player is called up before the 10 game mark is reached then he will eat at the teams cap reserve for everyday he is on the roster. So in these instances the team (Vancouver) will have to keep calling up and then sending down players so they can save a few dollars and hope it doesn't come back to bite them in the arse.:shakehead
     
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    as cited in the NHL CBA FAQ link: "Except in the case of bona fide long-term injury (injuries that sideline a player for a minimum of 24 days and 10 games) to one or more of a club's players, Club payrolls will never be permitted to be below the minimum or in excess of the maximum. Clubs at or near the upper limit that have players who incur a bona fide long-term injury will be entitled to replace up to the full value of the injured player's NHL salary (even if such salary would result in the club's team salary exceeding the upper limit). The "replacement salary" will not count against the club's upper limit but will count against the League-wide players' share. Upon return of the injured player, the team must come into immediate compliance with the requirements of the payroll range."

    Does not address whether the team is at the maximum of 23 players, but rather in relation the the cap maximum. The key is that the player has to be out for the 24 days and 10 games. An injury like Cloutier's will likely qualify. Also, as noted the team can exceed the cap in this instance, but the extra dollars do count when determining the league wide players salaries as it relates to the % of revenues, escrow, etc.
     
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    Actually it was discovered by KDB209 that this is not entirely true. The replacement player's salary will count unless it puts the team over the cap. So if a team is at $38.5 million and a replacement player is called up, his salary would count until the team hit the $39 million mark. Then it would no longer count. But then the team would not have any room left for a trading deadline deal.

    I have not confirmed this but I have no reason to doubt it either.
     
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    I was about to chime in on this, when lo and behold my name comes up - I feel so honored :) .

    I found the section (50.10) dealing with injury replacements and the cap quoted on a blog:

    http://www.canuckscorner.com/weblog/nhllog/archives/2005/08/

    Now I can't vouch for its authenticity - but it looks pretty damn legit to me and is consistent with everything else I've read.


    The interesting section is in the example. It seems that the replacement salary first consumes all remaining cap space and only then is the club allowed to exceed to cap with the replacement.

    Now if we just knew the precise definitions of and restrictions on "Club's Upper Limit", "Actual Club Salary", "Averaged Club Salary", and "Players' Share".

    Release the whole CBA dammit.
     
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