henchman21
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Rumor: In-season Proposals, Rumors, Free Agents & Roster Moves (related topics) LXXII
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henchman21
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Cousin Eddie
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tigervixxxen
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As I said in the last thread, I wouldn't have an issue with Morrissey being the main piece. We can't get the perfect solution and I'm fine taking a little bit of a risk on to get someone with talent who isn't ancient or walking out the door in a year or so.
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I think it really depends on how much Winnipeg wants to put into this playoff run. If they just want to make they playoffs, I don't think they touch that deal or any other one with Morrissey as a key piece. If they want to make a run, that is trading future assets for a young asset that can help in a run right now. Alone with that, the plus could be a Briere type that adds a proven playoff performer and leader (salary would have to be retained and a cap dump/s added by Winnipeg). They could drastically improve their forward group, without having to dismantle the defense that is great when healthy.
Love Frolik as a player...I'd really like to see what the Avs could do to pry him out of Winnipeg.
tigervixxxen
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So its been reiterated that O'Reilly is held in high value around the league. So that's great and it sounds like Sakic and Roy are not going to have to settle for some bargain deal just to get rid of him. But the other side of it is, what are teams going to really give up? The contract situation is obvious to everyone but never mentioned by Bob and Co. So teams are just assuming once they get him in and offer him some big coin then he will stay? Or buy now and worry about it later?
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Ugh, that's so hard to read. I would have taken a long term ROR over any return he brings back.
Cousin Eddie
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You keep saying this, but if Roy loved Emelin in the deal, the trade would have happened by now. Montreal would have accepted easily.
I was thinking the Russian center they keep having to send to the AHL. If I could spell his name, I would. Hejda probably couldn't bring that back though.
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Much as I have maintained he and Sakic misfired badly on the Stuart acquisition/signing, I don't think Roy just likes one type of player. He obviously doesn't seem to mind speed and skill either. I think he, like pretty much everyone else in the NHL, overvalues "grit" and "compete" and "character," but that doesn't mean he's Brian Burke.
UncleRisto
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Cousin Eddie
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I'm really hoping that some team wants a package of Briere and Hejda for their cup run and offers up a Mcginn/sgarbo like package to get them.
You keep saying that you're worried he'll take some player no one would like. I'm sure teams have not been scared to offer up poor players or players with bad contracts, and if Roy and Sakic were interested in something like that, they would have already taken it.
The Avs didn't trade O'Reilly when he held out. They didn't trade him when they knew he was going to be trouble in contract negotiations last summer. They easily could have, but they clearly value what type of player he is. I don't think they plan on trading him for anything less than great value. If that's one big piece or multiple pieces, who knows, but it's clear the organization thinks highly of O'Reilly and they won't just give him away.
Yeah, I'm still worried about what return they will like back considering what players they have brought in since coming here.
It's just such an important trade this, we can't afford to mess it up.
If we were deal ROR to the Jets, it would be stupid of us not to trying to acquire the rights to Burmistrov as part of it. He holds like no value to the Jets as there is no way he'd ever play for them.
Something like:
Morrissey+Burmistrov's Rights+ decent prospect (Lowry or De Leo) or conditional draft pick 1st if Burmistrov doesn't sign 2nd if he does.
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ROR+prospect like Elliott or Hishon
That deal would be risky for us especially if Morrissey kind of fizzles, and Burmistrov doesn't come over, but I think it'd be worth the risk.
Something like:
Morrissey+Burmistrov's Rights+ decent prospect (Lowry or De Leo) or conditional draft pick 1st if Burmistrov doesn't sign 2nd if he does.
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ROR+prospect like Elliott or Hishon
That deal would be risky for us especially if Morrissey kind of fizzles, and Burmistrov doesn't come over, but I think it'd be worth the risk.
I'm not too worried. I believe O'Reilly will be overrated by Roy/Sakic and other GMs around the league. In the end with ROR being overrated and Roy/Sakic being bad at their job, we will get fair value back.
Eller + Tinordi + higher pick for ROR + Elliott is a deal I'd consider, for sure. It's not an ideal trade, but the value is decent. It depends on how the organization would view Tinordi, though. He seems like a decent bet to be a second pairing guy, but seeing Montreal trade for some ancient defenseman rather than playing him is a little scary.
I think a guy like Eller or Burmistrov would be really valuable on this team, playing the 3rd line center role and taking on the heavy defensive minutes, opening up MacKinnon and Duchene offensively.
It sounds like Burmistrov is pretty set to return to the NHL, from what I heard. He just hated Noel.
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