Impressions of Tanner Glass..

[Cardboard Orpik]

let go = trade


do you think he's vital to the team's success??

Dupuis:

- Works hard and hustles every night, and is a great locker room guy.
- Is someone who our star player feels comfortable playing with and likes.
- Notched 59 points last year on the second line.
- Has a cap hit of $1.5m.

TK has a $2m cap hit, Cooke a $1.8m, just to compare. Dupuis is not the cornerstone of this team and isn't someone I'm totally thrilled about being in the top six, but he's a steal right now and we'd be pretty dumb to trade him. If he keeps playing like this, I have no problem with Shero giving him a decent pay bump when his contract is up at the end of this season.

 

[lastcupever75]

He's no Sid or Geno, to be sure, but him and Crosby have enjoyed a lot of success together, so why would you want to mess that up? Sure, there's players out there better than him, but he'd still be valuable alongside Sutter. In other words, there's a handful of players I'd let go before Pascal.

1. i'd like a bigger,tougher guy to pair with sid. that success is more Dupes leeching off sid then anything

2.if you wanted to move him to the 3rd line... i'd like a bigger, tougher guy to play on the 3rd line

3. him, TK and adams are very similiar in ability and size. their skill set is redundant in a line up consisting of 12 fowards

4. he likely has more trade value then adams/kennedy and would bring back a better return

 

[JimmyTwoTimes]

With the numbers Dupuis has been putting up lately , if he had a pedigree ( drafted high..top prospect) he wouldn't be so underrated and expendable to people on these boards

 

[Tender Rip]

Glass has been just as I expected. He does his job and is a solid 4th liner. Doesn't make much of a difference either way, but it is hard to complain about him. He is what he is, and what he is is what we signed him to be.

 

[clefty]

Its the 4th line man... What the hell do you expect?

Lets go back the 90s when our checking lines comprised of players like Petr Klima and the Ferraro twins.

 

[Big McLargehuge]

Lets go back the 90s when our checking lines comprised of players like Petr Klima and the Ferraro twins.

I love Craig Patrick, but man...the concept of a fourth line was completely lost on him. So frustrating.


Glass has been a very good 4th liner. I'd hate him if he was playing a bigger role, but as a 4th liner he's a definite upgrade over Asham - who has spent a decade as one of the better annoyances in the East.


And I'm absolutely dumbfounded that anyone would advocate trading Dupuis. His value to this team dwarfs his trade value. I don't know what you'd expect to get for him...his value is probably a 2nd rounder, which doesn't do anything to help us.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Glass is a prototypical 4th liner.

He hits.
He forechecks & backchecks hard.
Can drop the gloves if need be.
Can also play on the pk.
Skates fairly well.

If he can chip in offensively, that's icing on the cake.

 

[TheStinger]

I don't do impressions.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

I don't do impressions.

You mean impersonations?

 

[NastyNick]

Less scoring touch then Asham or Rupp.. thats for sure. But hes excellent on the PK.

For what our coach wants from his 4th liners, Glass is a better fit.

 

[Captain Hook]

The faster Craig Adams.

 

[wgknestrick]

I would like to see a stat of how well offensively some teams' 4th lines are doing.

If it's > zero, then they are winning over us. Our expectations should be a line that is capable of 0 to net positive 5v5 play while consisting of key PK players to eat those tough minutes instead of our key skilled guys. Hitting and fighting are not really useful skills unless they directly lead to that net positive 5v5 play. It should also be a place where young players can start to get their feet "NHL wet".

Our 4th line hasn't been close to even or net positive since around 2007-8.

Glass is better than Asham, but is still a net negative player (and has been for hist career). To expect him to magically contribute a net positive to a different team is foolish.

 

[AquaticBirdman]

let go = trade


do you think he's vital to the team's success??

Dupuis' overall game has undergone noticeable improvement over the years, and although he may still have cement hands and the occasional tunnel vision, he's still better offensively than he was before. He may not be "vital" for our team's success, but considering the money he's earning and what he brings to the team, I'd say we got a player of real value in him.

As for Glass, I like what I've seen thus far. He's a physical player that's strong in his own zone (especially on the PK) and he can actually SKATE. You can't ask for much more from a 4th liner.

 

[Jag68Sid87]

Even Colton Orr has one goal and one assist so far this season. I'm not asking for MUCH here. But a point. How about a point, Tanner?


The fourth line has 2 assists and a collective minus-7 rating. Yeah, they cycle. Yeah, they grind. Yeah they're all good on the PK. But do we really need three of these guys? I mean, seriously?

Keep Vitale, ditch the other two. Toronto's fourth line should be the standard...one face-off specialist and PKer who can move up to the other lines if need be (McClement), plus two enforcers. That's what I'd like to see from the fourth line.

And yes, as froods pointed out, Ruutu-Talbot-Laraque, now THAT was a fourth line. Or even better was when Roberts-Talbot-Laraque were together. Let's not forget that big Georges played 71 games in '08 and played in the first three rounds of the postseason, scored a GOAL against the Rangers in the playoffs, and was only benched against Detroit (which was the wise decision, even for a pro-enforcer guy like me).

But the Tanner Glass types...they're so dime a dozen it's sad.

 

[Jag68Sid87]

And for the record, Chicago is the best team in the NHL so far this season, and an offensive juggernaut. And yet, they don't just throw away the fourth line with guys who can't produce at all. Former third liners Marcus Kruger and Michael Frolik are developing some nice chemistry on their fourth line, and they have produced six points so far. The third member of their fourth line is either a defensive specialist like we have (Mayers) or an enforcer in Bollig (which we don't have). But I suspect Carcillo will join Kruger and Frolik as soon as he's healthy.

So even the best team in the NHL gets a little something more than grind, grind, grind from their fourth line.

 

[Shady Machine]

Don't like him. Didn't need him. A gritty PK specialist who can hit with zero skill. He's the left-handed Craig Adams.

I suppose next up will be the addition of the ambidextrous Craig Adams.

I find your views somewhat odd. You are all about the enforcer that can't play hockey, but you seem to dislike gritty 4th line role players.

 

[Shady Machine]

1. i'd like a bigger,tougher guy to pair with sid. that success is more Dupes leeching off sid then anything

2.if you wanted to move him to the 3rd line... i'd like a bigger, tougher guy to play on the 3rd line

3. him, TK and adams are very similiar in ability and size. their skill set is redundant in a line up consisting of 12 fowards

4. he likely has more trade value then adams/kennedy and would bring back a better return

The bolded is totally untrue. I don't know why people continually say that about Dupuis. He is not an ideal top line winger, but the dude produces consistently regardless of his role. He scored a career high with Staal primarily as his center so I'm not sure how he is leeching off of Sid. Your post just doesn't make any sense.

 

[Jag68Sid87]

The bolded is totally untrue. I don't know why people continually say that about Dupuis. He is not an ideal top line winger, but the dude produces consistently regardless of his role. He scored a career high with Staal primarily as his center so I'm not sure how he is leeching off of Sid. Your post just doesn't make any sense.

Well, Staal is a point-a-game center this season. It seems we definitely were stunting his production here. Would Dupuis produce with Letestu?

 

[Shady Machine]

Well, Staal is a point-a-game center this season. It seems we definitely were stunting his production here. Would Dupuis produce with Letestu?

My point is that Duper has produced consistently throughout his career, regardless of his center. So saying that he is a leech is completely untrue.

 

[Jag68Sid87]

My point is that Duper has produced consistently throughout his career, regardless of his center. So saying that he is a leech is completely untrue.

Isn't 'throughout his career' a tad strong as statements go?

 

[cassius]

He has good grit, plays a dump and chase game, has questionable hands, and is not too different from the rest of the grinders on this roster. So basically he's an invaluable member of this squad and a key contributing factor to our success. He has Ray Shero mancrush written all over him.

All joking aside, I think he has been pretty solid so far and seems like a decent fit for the 4th line.

 

[Jag68Sid87]

I find your views somewhat odd. You are all about the enforcer that can't play hockey, but you seem to dislike gritty 4th line role players.

I dislike having too much of the same thing on a roster, and not enough of what's missing.

 

[regard]

Did someone just advocate trading Dupuis so that we could have had Asham and Glass both on the roster??

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[specialized]

I hate when people bash 4th liners, there job is mostly to give the top lines rest and play good "D" and Glass,Vitale,Adams does just that. Plus Adams plays superb on the PK. Sorry I will defend Adams all day long, he does all the little things a coach wants.

 

[Jag68Sid87]

I hate when people bash 4th liners, there job is mostly to give the top lines rest and play good "D" and Glass,Vitale,Adams does just that. Plus Adams plays superb on the PK. Sorry I will defend Adams all day long, he does all the little things a coach wants.

Thanks for this, Dan.