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It's no wonder Adams has been on the front line of the CBA discussions.
it's not his Harvard Education
It's no wonder Adams has been on the front line of the CBA discussions.
Cooke is 34 and will be 35 at the start of next season (if there is one). He shouldn't be resigned by this team for 2013-14 at $1.8M. At his age, I'm fine with the team letting him walk away; I also wouldn't be upset if he hung around for another two years if he takes an annual paycut of between $800K and $1M ... and we sever ties with Adams.
I'm not an Adams hater, but he'll be 36 in April. Just for age/injuries concerns, I think there's no way the team should keep both of these aging role players.
I think you are overlooking the fact that Adams also sucks at playing hockey, 5v5, or just shooting the puck off the ice. He is great at letting things hit him though....If you need someone to take a puck in the shin or 5 fist punches to the face, he's your man. His advanced stats are as horrible as his fighting. His salary and ice time should go to someone else (hopefully not named Tanner Glass). Call me a hater.
Adams gets a lot of hate and some is deserved but its not his fault he is one of Bylsmas guys. Every team needs an Adams. I think it's time the pens go to a younger version of him but his time here has been decent IMO. Last year was probably his worst. But if you need a guy out there with a minute left to grind it out, take a hit or shot and be a team first guy, he is your man.
You mentioned he is a punching bag which for the most part is true but he will stand up for everyone of his teammates. You need those kind of players. As I stated above I think it's time to move on from Adams and let a younger guy with more upside fill his roll but its not cause if lack of effort, heart or character.
Yeah but his advanced stats suck!!!
As someone with pretty crappy basic stats, I'm not one to throw stones.
Yeah that was an unnecessary comment by me. I wasn't trying to defend Adams at all, but rather call out that poster's overuse of advanced stats in rating every player I've seen him/her comment on. Adams is nearly useless to this team at this point and I have been a supporter of letting him go ASAP.
meh. I merely saw an opening for an easy self-deprecating joke and took it; wasn't taking anyone to task for necessary or unnecessary comments.
I have nothing to contribute. I just wanted to say you win the award for best Avatar ever. Congratulations, bud!
Yeah that was an unnecessary comment by me. I wasn't trying to defend Adams at all, but rather call out that poster's overuse of advanced stats in rating every player I've seen him/her comment on. Adams is nearly useless to this team at this point and I have been a supporter of letting him go ASAP.
I'm not quite sure which players I'm overrating that I make comments on. I hope your not basing it on Adams and you have other examples.
As for Adams I said I think his time in Pittsburgh should be over but recognized a couple things he did well.
Huh? I was not talking about you. I was actually agreeing with you in general. Adams time in Pittsburgh should be over IMO, but he did bring valuable things to the table in the past, despite his weak "advanced stats". My whole comment was a sarcastic remark about advanced stats and their usefulness in evaluating a role player like Adams.
The recent proposal being debated has the cap dropping from $70.2 mil to $60.5 mil for the start of the 2013-2014 season.
Play GM Shero's role and get the Pens under the cap. Then post your proposed line-up.
UFA's:
Matt Cooke ($1.8m - 12/13)
Pascal Dupuis ($1.5m - 12/13)
Craig Adams ($0.675m - 12/13)
Ben Lovejoy ($0.525m -12/13)
RFA's:
Tyler Kennedy ($2.0m - 12/13)
Eric Tangradi ($0.726m - 12/13)
Dustin Jeffrey ($0.575m - 12/13)
Brian Strait ($0.606m - 12/13)
Cooke back at $2mil/2yr
Dupuis back at 3.5/2yr
Adams back at $0.675/1yr
Tangradi back at $1.5/2yr
TK, DJ, Lovejoy, one of Bortz/Strait all trade bait or GTFO.
Wing-Crosby-Dupuis
Kunitz-Malkin-Neal
Cooke-Sutter-Wing
Glass-Vitale-Adams
Several options for the wings...hopefully a trade with a team needing to dump.
They could probably just stick Jeffrey in Kennedy's current spot on the 3rd line. As for Tangradi, I admit he hasn't really gotten a fair opportunity because of guys like Adams, Park, and Vitale - but I just don't see him with the Penguins long term.
Instead of signing a bunch of role players, maybe the fourth-line could be a developmental line. Guys like Cooke, Dupuis, Sutter, Jeffrey, Kunitz, and even some of Crosby and Malkin can spend time on the PK. Sure you'd need some gritty guys come playoff time, but for the regular season give the youngsters more playing time.