tazzy19
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I find it amazing that Wayne still beats Lemieux in GPG average and goal scoring every step of the way despite leaving Mario in the dust in assists. I also found it funny how everyone points to Lemieux's 160 points in 60 games as maybe the best season of all time when Gretzky had 175 points in his first 60 games in 83-84.
Mario scored 199 with quinn and brown, would be very interesting if messier was on his left wing and kurri was on his right wing.
Just take a look at the top 4 scorers from the 88-89 Penguins vs the 81-82 Edmonton Oilers:Mario scored 199 with quinn and brown, would be very interesting if messier was on his left wing and kurri was on his right wing.
Who had the better individual talent is debatable. Hockey sense is an individual talent, no? Either way, hockey is not an individual based game. Gretzky's talent was in using the entire team as an extension of himself. A player who can control and exploit five players is more powerful than one superhumanIt's still hard to complain because you have to assume that Lemieux's overall level of play took a hit due to the health issues that he always had. I doubt he had a lot of time at true "full health" where he could have been training or playing as he was constantly rehabbing from injury or dealing with it.
That said there's no question that Gretzky outdoes Mario statistically. Watching them both play though there's no question in my mind that Lemieux was the better individual talent.
That's what I like about this particular comparison: it compares what they ACTUALLY did over the same number if games. And Gretzky still beats Lemieux in every category. Yes, Lemieux had health issues, but we can't know for sure if Lemieux would have scored more if he were healthy. He might have scored less PPG. (He might have scored more because of the massive amounts if rest he had, too.) It's a statistical fact that the more games someone plays over the course of a season, the lower their PPG average. The year Lemieux scored 199 points, he actually had slightlymore points in his first 60 games than the year he had 160 in 60....but again, his average dropped over a full season. This is the part everyone forgets about when discussing what Mario could have done. It just isn't the same as actually doing it.I love threads like this
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Who had the better individual talent is debatable. Hockey sense is an individual talent, no? Either way, hockey is not an individual based game. Gretzky's talent was in using the entire team as an extension of himself. A player who can control and exploit five players is more powerful than one superhuman
individual.
I love threads like this
theory for vs facts
Again, I refer you to the 81-82 season when Gretzky recorded 212 points, and Kurri, Messier, and Coffey all had around 85 points, and Gretzky more than doubled the 2nd leading scorer on the Oilers (Anderson, who wasn't on his line with 105 points).except that one simple measurement isn't taken into consideration. Put Gretzky on those awful Pens teams in the 80s & put Lemieux on the 80s Oilers. Of course, there is no mathematical way to calculate it, but I daresay the numbers would be far different.
Then why does Gretzky have more game winning goals over the same number of games, and hold the playoff record for game winning goals?except that Lemieux had the ability to end games on command. I saw him light up teams left & right throughout his career because he decided the game would be won. That is where he was the better player than the pipsqueak.
except that Lemieux had the ability to end games on command. I saw him light up teams left & right throughout his career because he decided the game would be won. That is where he was the better player than the pipsqueak.
except that Lemieux had the ability to end games on command. I saw him light up teams left & right throughout his career because he decided the game would be won. That is where he was the better player than the pipsqueak.
Then why does Gretzky have more game winning goals over the same number of games, and hold the playoff record for game winning goals?
Do you refer to playoffs 1993, game 7 against the Islanders in overtime? I think it would've been a good time for Lemieux to end the game...