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Who would win in a death match between Optimus Prime and Darth Vader? I might as well ask because there's as much point to my question as there is to this thread.
The 80 Islanders would paste the Ducks as would the late 80 Oilers and 70's Canadiens. Speed,strength,size don't add up to hockey talent. Plenty of speedsters suck-only faster. Plenty of big,strong guys also suck. Give me talent no matter what physical dimensions,upgraded equipment or speed you possess. Is there more overall talent in the NHL today? Absolutely,because of worldwide NHL scouting,not because of the year. Danny C would be Danny C-no better no worse.
Yep, Everbody today can shoot harder than Bobby Hull circa 1972.ahh but it has EVERYTHING to do with the year. as someone mentioned time marches on. no global scouting in one generation as opposed to the next. the other thing i really want to mention is goaltending. the butterfly has revolutionized the way the position is played and its fairly new to the game. do you know what players of this era would do to goaltenders of the 70's? theyd be lucky if the pucks hit them accidentally. none of them faced guys shooting as hard as they do now none of them dealt with the kind of traffic in front that the goalies today deal with. that alone would put any team with a goaltender of today's nhl ahead of any team from the 70's and 80's. im sorry this may hurt some feelings but danny cloutier traveling back in time with his equipment, skill, and technique of today would be a revolutionary annual vezina winner if he went back to 1972.
Yep, Everbody today can shoot harder than Bobby Hull circa 1972.
It's not good form to use the teach smilie if you don't have a clue about the subject..if Bobby Hull used a stick that was legal today
Yep, Everbody today can shoot harder than Bobby Hull circa 1972.
Bobby Hull's 118mph slapshot is just legend. There's no documented proof of it.........nor does any known article written in his playing day even mention such a thing.
I'll take the 1977 Montreal Canadiens to beat the 2007 Anaheim Ducks 4 games to 1.
You are wrong. It was in older versions of the Guiness book of records which requires documentation. Measurements were done by a very reputable hockey guru named Lloyd Percival.(writer of the hockey handbook).Bobby Hull's 118mph slapshot is just legend. There's no documented proof of it.........nor does any known article written in his playing day even mention such a thing.
You are wrong. It was in older versions of the Guiness book of records which requires documentation. Measurements were done by a very reputable hockey guru named Lloyd Percival.(writer of the hockey handbook).
Guiness would not have put it in without documention & they are constantly changing the book.Yeah, but Hull's record is no longer in the newer versions.......probably because they realized there was no documentation of it. I'm guessing Guiness previously went by the 'legend' b/c it is taken as fact nowadays. Guiness just won't omit an old record for no reason.
BTW, what measurements did Percival do?
A 118mph shot just seems unrealistic (and, frankly, scientificaly impossible) considering in 20+ years of accurately measuring slapshot speed the fastest we have is 106.6.
Your problem is that it conflicts with your view of the world. If it didn't happen yesterday than it didn't happen. You can't conceive that 40 years ago somebody could shoot a puck harder than today's much superior athletes.
Yeah, but Hull's record is no longer in the newer versions.......probably because they realized there was no documentation of it. I'm guessing Guiness previously went by the 'legend' b/c it is taken as fact nowadays. Guiness just won't omit an old record for no reason.
BTW, what measurements did Percival do?
A 118mph shot just seems unrealistic (and, frankly, scientificaly impossible) considering in 20+ years of accurately measuring slapshot speed the fastest we have is 106.6.
Guiness would not have put it in without documention & they are constantly changing the book.
Your problem is that it conflicts with your view of the world. If it didn't happen yesterday than it didn't happen. You can't conceive that 40 years ago somebody could shoot a puck harder than today's much superior athletes.
Of course they're constantly changing the book.....because records are being broken and new info is constantly coming into light.
Bottom line, Hull's record is no longer in the most recent and up-to-date edition. If it was a true documented record - it would be.
When did I insinuate this? I think Hull (on a good day) could have outshot anybody today..............but 118mph? That's a tall order.
There needs to be PROOF to back up sensational claims. Here, there doesn't seem to be any.
A while ago some poster dug up this article from 1965 (one not influenced by the ‘legend’ of Bobby Hull) that states his slapshot was 95mph --------big difference from 118.
In fact, 95mph was the fastest in the league back then. This actually proves the point that nobody back then (apart from Hull) was on par with todays elite hard shooters.
http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/3815/si012565.htm
I am not sure what the machines were like that they used to measure shots back then but if anyone saw Hull shoot, 118mph sure seems feasable. As far as skating speed, I see no reason to doubt that record as stop watches back then were as accurate as they are now. I never heard anybody doubt Bannister's sub 4 minute mile due to inaccurate recording equipment.A note on the Guiness book of records. They do not include every record in each year's edition. They include some records in each category but they can't put them all in as each edition would be 1000's of pages.
I don't know if Guiness still considers Hull's slap shot (and his skating speed for that matter) to be records. But it was in previous editions of the book as I've seen it in them.
No one has broken these records - however the records are very questionable IMO because the machine used to record the records could not possibly have been accurate. The records are too far ahead of what would be realistic or possible. Whether Guiness has taken the likelhood of the machine recording these records being inaccurate and no longer recognizes the records I don't know but they did at one point recognize these records.
I am not sure what the machines were like that they used to measure shots back then but if anyone saw Hull shoot, 118mph sure seems feasable. As far as skating speed, I see no reason to doubt that record as stop watches back then were as accurate as they are now. I never heard anybody doubt Bannister's sub 4 minute mile due to inaccurate recording equipment.
I am not sure what the machines were like that they used to measure shots back then but if anyone saw Hull shoot, 118mph sure seems feasable. As far as skating speed, I see no reason to doubt that record as stop watches back then were as accurate as they are now. I never heard anybody doubt Bannister's sub 4 minute mile due to inaccurate recording equipment.
same article says his snap shot was 105mph.Even if you saw Hull play, how can you ascertain how hard he shot it? It's practically impossible from a spectator's point of view to measure shot speed.
In the article I posted (if the measurements are correct) nobody else in the league had a slapshot over 94.99 mph.......Hull was only measured at 95.
Considering this, a shot of a 100+mph back then would seem like an absolute rocket. I'm sure Hull got around 100 a few times which would put him waaaaay ahead of his contemporaries............but 118mph is close to physically impossible.