Huge News!!! Nhlpa Offers Cap

[trahans99]

a 28 game season and still a draft is a lot better than a combined 2006 draft and no games until october.

CROSBY CROSBY CROSBY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now the only question is the draft format due to a 28 game schedule so no team can purposely tank it.

 

[Jared Ramsden]

I am so pissed off at the NHL for not negotiating the cap, but then saying, no deal these talks are over?!?!?!

YOU WON YOU MORONS!!! YOU GOT WHAT YOU WANTED!!!

Now make the deal the best cap offer you can get and save what's left of hockey.

Now that the players have finally accepted a cap, it's up to the NHL to come up with a counter offer. NHLPA offers $52 mil cap WITH THE 24% ROLLBACK, NHL counters with $40, w/out linkage .....it's up to the NHL to come up with something better than that. $45 minimum is what the NHL should offer, but something close to a $47 million cap would be more reasonable. The ball is in the NHL's court......

 

[VinnyVinnyVici]

if this deal doesnt get done now, both the leaders need to lose their heads.

For the damage both of these idiots have done to the sport, they should lose their heads anyway...

 

[helicecopter]

I just heard on ESPN (sportscenter)that there could be a deal at hand. The rumor is the players agreed to a 45mill cap with no revenue sharing. Both sides get something, owners get a cap and no sharing revenue for the players.

 

[Cropduster]

is this as close as we have been or are we still miles apart? Somebody wake me up with this is just PR vs no, we are getting pretty damn close

 

[barnburner]

http://www.tsn.ca/

GOD, PLEASE LET THE OWNERS COME BACK WITH A 45 mill cap. counter offer!!

If the players get a 45 mill offer, they better jump all over it. My guess is the
top offer will be no more than 43. It's a heck of a lot better than the 30 to 35 mill offer they will get a year from now.

 

[caps]

I just heard on ESPN (sportscenter)that there could be a deal at hand. The rumor is the players agreed to a 45mill cap with no revenue sharing. Both sides get something, owners get a cap and no sharing revenue for the players.

Has anyone else heard this? Can anyone give a link or something?

 

[Canucker]

If these 2 guys can't be in the same room together to make a deal whats the point in keeping them employed. Daly and Saskin are the ones talking, you might as well make them the leaders of these outfits.

 

[arnie]

In all fairness, unless you're of the opinion that Gary Bettman is a master ventriloquist, the players did far more harm to their image on their own than the owners ever could have done for them.

Exactly. Bettman never demonized the players. He never called them greedy. All he ever said wasd that he wanted a partnership. Instead, it was the players who were constantly aking personal attacks on Bettman.

 

[Biggest Canuck Fan]

The ball is in the NHL's court......

Totally... I tell you right now I support fully the players. They realized the owners know how to run the business and caved.

The Owners now own 95% of the CBA landscape... to hell with the 100% ownage, get the game going with a decent 45-47 million cap with no linkage, and thrown in the tax for teams that violate it.

And in case you were wondering, it is a 7 million difference from 52-45 which equals 230K per team.

 

[tantalum]

If these 2 guys can't be in the same room together to make a deal whats the point in keeping them employed. Daly and Saskin are the ones talking, you might as well make them the leaders of these outfits.

From all accounts Saskin and Daly are actually friendly towards each other and not just Bettman/Goodenow eating pizza during a photo-op friendly. Daly did attend the funeral of Saskin's mother.

Will they be the leaders when all is said and done? If they are the ones being the frontmen in the negotiation I wouldn't doubt it at all. Certainly Saskin is in line to be union head. Daly for commisioner I don't really see...perhaps he'll be head negotiator next CBA but I think you may see commissioner go to someone with a little more hands on hockey experience. Someone who has been a player, an agent, a lawyer, a GM and in the NHL front office. Someone who has the respect of the bulk of people associated with the NHL....I truly believe it will be Brian Burke. Especially if Orca Bay gets out of being the managing entity behind the canucks. I think Burke hasn't taken another GM's job because he is angling for the commissioners role.

 

[Anksun]

Please guys, stop adding 2-3-4-5 millions each day pass to the "acceptable" cap.
going from 40 to 46 millions might actually sounds like a mini-gap when reading some of you...

6 millions * 30 teams = 180 millions.
And the actual offer of 52 millions is still 360 millions over the actual 40 millions cap.

Not saying the nhl would not agree to a 45 millions cap, but it's not like: yahou, easy decision... It's a big increase, but they got the cap so they might agree to this.

 

[helicecopter]

I'm interested to see if there are any loopholes when it's all said and done, such as bonuses not being tied in anywhere...that type of thing...

I really hope there will be significant loopholes for own drafted players.

 

[trahans99]

Has anyone else heard this? Can anyone give a link or something?

I want confirmation toooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo


I think the league needs some sort of revenue sharing though to help out the bottom teams.

 

[arnie]

Anyway, the NHL didn't have many American fans to offend with this lockout.

This is a complete fallacy. There are far more hockey fans in the US than in Canada. The US is 10 time bigger and the fans are spead among 24 teams rather than 6. But in terms of number of absdolute people, they are greater in number.

 

[Takeo]

The point is the players caved. They gave into a cap, no its just a matter of figuring out an amount. They will meet today, I saw on another thread that Roenick, Pronger and Iginla will be apart of the meeting.

THERE WILL BE A SEASON! YOU GOTTA BELIEVE!!!!!!!!

Yeah, a worthless 28 game season and a pointless Stanley Cup. I say no thanks to the asterisk.

 

[Brent Burns Beard]

Totally... I tell you right now I support fully the players. They realized the owners know how to run the business and caved.

The Owners now own 95% of the CBA landscape... to hell with the 100% ownage, get the game going with a decent 45-47 million cap with no linkage, and thrown in the tax for teams that violate it.

And in case you were wondering, it is a 7 million difference from 52-45 which equals 230K per team.

your numbers are faulty.

7m per team is 7m per team. ;-)

dr

 

[MissTeeks]

Am I the only one who feels this offer will cause dissension within the Owners? What Owners do you think are on the phone to Gary right now, saying "Make this deal"? Toronto, Detroit???? Am I off-base thinking this will cause fighting within the Owners? Or does it even matter anymore.

 

[rekrul]

Yeah, a worthless 28 game season and a pointless Stanley Cup. I say no thanks to the asterisk.

what like a real 2005-2006 season starts up because these jokers will get religon over the spring? wake up this isn't about this year this about the next 5 or so years. No deal today and the NHL is done for at least another year.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

If I were the players, I would accept a 45-46 million hard cap, no - linkage, only with significant revenue sharing.

Agreed. From a players' perspective, revenue sharing would allow for some of the currently poorer teams to afford larger contracts, so if a certain player couldn't make 4-5-6 mil with DET/RAGS/TOR, etc. given a cap, maybe they could make it with another team getting a bump from revenue sharing.

Owners need to come clean on revenue sharing, significant offer. And where possible, it should not simply take revenue from larger market teams and give it to smaller markets. Needs to come from leaguewide revenue, or some sort of taxing system or small percentage of all local gates.

 

[shnagle]

Exactly. Bettman never demonized the players. He never called them greedy. All he ever said wasd that he wanted a partnership. Instead, it was the players who were constantly aking personal attacks on Bettman.

Bettman has gone out of his way to paint the players as greedy despite not using the term. Why else would the league show the career gross earnings of players over 10 million on their cba web site. The amount of outrage against the players just shows you how successful this marketing campaign has been. Now, had Bettman only marketed the NHL as well maybe we would have had a TV deal by now. The league has alot of work to do in repairing not only it's image but that of the players it has worked hard to tear down. I think this is the point the previous poster was trying to make.

 

[Charge_Seven]

Am I the only one who feels this offer will cause dissension within the Owners? What Owners do you think are on the phone to Gary right now, saying "Make this deal"? Toronto, Detroit???? Am I off-base thinking this will cause fighting within the Owners? Or does it even matter anymore.

You're right.

Toronto and Detroit were likely happy back in Decemeber with the rollback offer though. (even though they never said publicly they were).

Toronto, Colorado, NY (x2), St. Louis, Detroit, Dallas, I don't think any of these teams would have minded the rollback deal.

And if these teams see the league cut off because of a mere 12 million dollar difference, I can guarantee you there will be some unhappy owners...some very unhappy owners indeed.

 

[helicecopter]

Yeah, a worthless 28 game season and a pointless Stanley Cup. I say no thanks to the asterisk.

As far as playoffs will remain the same it will be a as meaningful as always Stanley cup for me.
What are pointless are usual 82 games regular seasons (that btw prevent best players from properly prepare or even take part to the Olympic games).

 

[creative giant*]

And in case you were wondering, it is a 7 million difference from 52-45 which equals 230K per team.

I think you might want to re-check those numbers.

 

[JohnnyReb]

Exactly. Bettman never demonized the players. He never called them greedy. All he ever said wasd that he wanted a partnership. Instead, it was the players who were constantly aking personal attacks on Bettman.

"We offered the Union systems that would continue to pay multi-million dollar salaries to our star players. We will not apologize for contracts which could still be in excess of $6 million per year, even if some players would make less than they are now getting.

"We offered the Union systems that would provide an average player salary of $1.3 million, U.S., per season. An average salary of $1.3 million may be less than the players are getting now, but we will not apologize for an average player salary of $1.3 million per season.

That said, we do apologize to our millions of fans and the thousands of people whose livelihoods depend on our game."

Right there on NHL.com.

Sure gets the point across, don't it? "Players are so greedy they won't accept an average salary of $1.3 million, and because of it, thousands of people are losing their livelihoods."