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How would you like to see best-on-best hockey come back?

Discussion in 'International Tournaments' started by JETZZZ, May 24, 2018.

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How would you like to see Best-on-best hockey come back?

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  1. Name Nameless

    Name Nameless Stray dog

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    1) Not competing WC against SC is an excellent idea. I like the fact it's WC every year. It should stay that way, but then certain nations should send their best team.

    2) It's only Olympics every fourth year. So many issues with the Olympics, but yeah, of course you should send a team that could win, when you have the possibility to do so.

    3) Hockey was in the summer Olympics. Summer Olympics is even worse than winter Olympics. Summer olympics is so megalomaniac, putting hockey back in there: Do you want to drown?

    4) WCoH _is_ a massive gimmick from my point of view in Europe at least. Why do you do this, just to show the world you don't like the other organizations? But you might be on to something. It may be the problem is it's not to _many_ national games, it's to _few_.

    5) What, the IIHF has a tournament. The WC. But let's compare to soccer. The big thing with soccer is: there are massive qualifications rolling around up to that events. I don't know if people are aware of this in the USA, but the national qualifications pulls men out of their teams every month, around the season. The leagues stops play for a few days, and the biggest stars go to the national teams. Even if it is world championship only every fourth year, it's in peoples head. All the time. Perhaps USA would have been a bigger soccer-market if it had been harder for you to qualify. Also, it's the continental championships, the European Championship is considered just as prestigious as the World Championship, and it has the same rolling qualifications. I don't think you understand how much this makes football (as in Assosiation Football) own the water-cooler talk. With the EC every fourth year, and qualifications all the time, it is a massive event every second year. With rolling qualifications it is way, way more "important national-team games" in soccer than in hockey. Very much more. And everybody expects the leagues to let their players go, and everybody expects the biggest stars to yearn for it as the highest honour.

    The lack of the qualification-rounds makes hockey lose limelight. The fact it is every year instead of every second year (as in WC and EC combined) only partially makes up for this.

    Invite-only tournaments are just a gimmick. The reason why soccer is so massive, is because more nations wants to be in the championships proper than they can take, and the qualification-rounds are rolling around forever with league-tables presented onscreen in the media all the time. In fact, the qualification tables are like the regular season, and the real championships like playoffs (even if they also have a group-stage and play-off round...)

    By not adjusting the NHL to the one big tournament, you lose the possibility of getting limelight. Imagine what good runs in the IIHF-championships could have done for US hockey if you actually sent teams close to your real strength.
     
  2. Xokkeu

    Xokkeu Registered User

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    Can’t tell if this is an epic backhand of a troll or just naive.
     
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    wirelessflyingcord An Oxymoron

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    The mismatch of ice hockey and sun is less of a problem than the fact that ice hockey would go from one of the top* disciplines in Winter Olympics to a minor discipline in the Summer Olympics, which already has multiple other much bigger team sports. I can't see why IIHF would ever agree to this. It doesn't make any sense for them.

    * not in absolute popularity (not even close: alpine skiing and skating are the top sports), but as the only team/ball sport in the Winter Olympics, it gets preferential scheduling, gold medal game is always one of the last events etc.
     
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    wirelessflyingcord An Oxymoron

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    In a perfect world... But hockey world isn't perfect and hence the comparison to soccer is pointless. Unlike in soccer, financially and politically most powerful body is a league and not a governing body. In soccer, there's this FIFA agreement that league clubs need to release their players for national teams. In hockey regular qualification games are not needed, since there simply aren't enough good teams.
     
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    Yeah, I didn't even think of that. I'm not saying it's a good move, just that it might be the best way of getting a best on best from the NHL standpoint. Hockey should stay in the winter games though
     
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    The NHL disbanded. Gary Bettman in jail. Olympics with all the best players every 4 years. World Championships woth all the best players every year.
     
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    Let them beat this level first before you make it harder.
     
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    I like how they are handling it in football .
    The olympic tournament is for the young players and those who want to become a starter in the main national team.
    for small countries you could make exeptions for using players that play in the KHl or Liiga. But teams like canada, Sweden, US and Russia should be using their minor league players and players from european leagues. I like it when the under dog has a chance to achive something and not only the big players. It's not handball, where you can buy yourself a team of mazedonian, french and croatian players and win (looking at you quatar).
    And the World cup is the real deal, with every team using their best players. how that is handeld should decide others.
    that would be awesome.
     
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    Voted for no #2, but a more serious take on a WC again would be ok. One NA Group and one Euro Group, Semis and Finals then in NA. Not sure how many teams I want, perhaps 8? I would want some kind of possiblity to qualify. Maybe CAN, USA, RUS, CZE, FIN, SWE could have a free ticket and then the two last places is decided by the IIHF ranking (like for instance SUI and SLO).
     
  10. Ezekial

    Ezekial Fil the Thrill

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    Or 4/5 but not during the NHL season.

    I get that everyone wants to hate the World Cup but if it was 8 nations, best on best, it would be great.
     
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    #2 hands down.
     
  12. Stonehands22

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    I'd go with 2 along with either 1 or 4.

    1) I get that having a best-on-best tournament every year would be a bit too much for a lot of people and especially for the players who would crack their national teams more often than not, but think of it this way: if it had been scheduled that way already, a Team Canada with Crosby and McDavid might've still happened this year.

    4) I'd hold the WCoH every odd year immediately following an Olympic tournament (ex: 2018 Olympics, 2019 World Cup, 2022 Olympics, 2023 World Cup, etc.). NA would host the tournament every 8 years, same thing with Europe.
     
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    Ideally one of the Olympic options. As corrupt as the IOC may be, the Olympics are what people typically associate with "best on best", so I'd like to see that for hockey. Wouldn't mind it in the summer Olympics at all. WHC would be a second choice (and I'd love it if the NHL moved their schedule back a bit regardless). The NHL's "World Cup" can take a flying leap, though.
     

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