IceDragoon said:Who are you to say you know what my emotions and motivations are?
Oh wait...
You can tell the future, so you must be able to read my mind and, therefore, know my motivations.
Now you're telling me that the reason my team had to let some marque players go, was because they are inept, or, at the very least, didn't feel like paying "fair market value".
And, it had nothing to do with the fact that most hockey players are grossly overpaid because their value is tied to other grossly overpaid hockey players.
Thank you for enlightening me.[/sarcasm]
FLYLine4LIFE said:Please, your just so upsest with have a EVEN playing field that your willing to give up hockey for as long as it takes to get it..talk about greed. Heres a note...at least half the teams would be gone after 3 years...including your OILERS that cant hold on to a player and then blames the system.
FLYLine4LIFE said:See there NOT. They are bad yes, but your SO PRO-OWNER anything...and i mean ANYTHING that Bettman saids you buy. Its pointless debating with people like you. You think the only way the NHL will live is with a CAP..well when the sides do agree without a CAP..you will look like the idiot who followed and went by every word Bettman has said.
Let me guess.FLYLine4LIFE said:Most hockey players are overpaid? What is OVERpaid in your book? 1 million? LOL. The average salary is 1.8 million or even less..not sure of the exact...are they ALL overpaid? Overpaid in my book is over 5 million. And how many player make over 5 million? 7%???????? Yea MOST players are overpaid...your right on.
And, just where are they going to play?OTTSENS said:Let's not forget one thing, if this season is cancelled next season there will be about 500 players without contracts. Several players said that if the NHL doesn't change their tune about a salary cap,that they will start a new league next season. And I think a lot of the big names would jump at this opportunity just to stick it to the NHL
If there is a will there's a way?IceDragoon said:And, just where are they going to play?
It seems to me that most of the owners own, or, hold long term leases on the arenas.
It's more likely that the owners would be starting a new league.
The players can say what they want, but, "saying" and "doing" are 2 different things.
They did a great job with the OSL, now, didn't they?!?
OTTSENS said:If there is a will there's a way?
Jack Canuck said:So if the owners have the will to do what it takes to get cost certainty then they will find a way? :lol
OTTSENS said:Let's not forget one thing, if this season is cancelled next season there will be about 500 players without contracts. Several players said that if the NHL doesn't change their tune about a salary cap,that they will start a new league next season. And I think a lot of the big names would jump at this opportunity just to stick it to the NHL
coyoteshockeyfan said:As long as it takes to actually FIX the system. I wish the players understood that you cant get paid money that doesnt exist.
John Flyers Fan said:Or you could say that owners wouldn't agree to pay players money that they don't have .....
s7ark said:What choice do they have? The GMs have to try to ice the best team possible and if their best player wants to sit out for a year to get more money, they will. Then the fans are screaming to sign or trade the player , so either they buckle and drive the salaries up or trade them for less value because everyone know's they can't afford to sign him.
There needs to be a system in place to move the GMs from between the rock and the hard place.
Say this current proposal is signed. The Flames haen't signed Iggy yet. He want's 10 million a year. Calgary can't afford that. So they can trade him for less then he is worth, ice a horrible team and risk losing fans, or cave and keep driving up salaries every year. None of these options work well for the team.
John Flyers Fan said:No, they let him sit, until he caves into a realistic salary, or they move him if and only if the move makes sense for the Flames. Bottom lines is that the teams/GM's/owners actually have to use the hammer when the hold it (pre 31), because god knows the players weild the hammer when they get the chance.
BTW Iggy can make the same $10 million demand whan there is a $40 million hard cap, which woud actually cause the Flames even more problems.
John Flyers Fan said:BTW Iggy can make the same $10 million demand whan there is a $40 million hard cap, which woud actually cause the Flames even more problems.
djhn579 said:So for the sake of argument, he is now sitting, the team is losing games because he is not in the line up, attendance is falling, and fans and players are questioning the owners desire to spend to build a winning team. No one is making good trade offers because they know you are in a weak position.
Now what do they do?
John Flyers Fan said:They sit and wait, and they wait some more .. and either Iggy caves or they make a good deal ala Yashin for Spezza & Chara.
If Iggy's demands are so out of whach with reality the fans will be pissed at Iggy and not Sutter and the Flames, just like Sens fans were pissed at Yashin and not the Senators.
djhn579 said:Okay, they continue to sit. They lose more games and are fighting to get into playoff position, attendance is falling more and the complaints from fans are growing. The team is losing money. Still no good trade offers...
Do you think there is always a deal like Yashin for Spezza & Chara out there? That was either a lot of luck or extremely shrewd trading. That doesn't happen that often...
John Flyers Fan said:A few things
#1. Mos seats are season tickets and/or game plans and previously purchased, therefore no revenue is lost..
John Flyers Fan said:#2. The team would ba making more money as they would not be paying Iginla, thus drastically reducing payroll..
Some teams will make very good offers for Iginla, but only about 5 or 6 could afford him, even then they will not offer alot when they percieve that Calgary is dealing from a position of weakness.John Flyers Fan said:#3. If Iginla was available for trade the Flames would get a ton of very good offers, it would be up to Sutter to make the proper deal.