Nucklehead Supreme
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1. First of all, there has been no precedent set where a team trades their top 6 center and starting goalie in a package. So you are just guessing what the return will be like. Secondly, 2. find me teams that are trading good young goalies like Demko right now? 3. GMs also look at the whole history of the goalie and not what he did 5 games ago and base their value on that, it's doesn't work like HFboards where the goalie's play history is forgotten except the last 15 games he played and goalies easily rebound back to form. Demko has played 140 or so games in NHL already so he isn't a flash in the pan
4. Horvat is also a top 6 center and can be a 1st line center on some NHL teams. 5.You conveniently use Demko's recent play to gauge his trade value 6. so why not use the same logic on Horvat who has 32 goals right now and those are 1st line center numbers. 7. You can't pick and choose stats to fit your trade narrative. 8.Also both players would be core type of players that have leadership qualities, it's not like some complimentary player that a team trades and would easily push a playoff team to cup contenders if they land both so it is worth to give two top prospects and a 1st. Even if Horvat was a rental, Demko is not and that's worth a lot
1. No there hasn't, you asked what I thought would be the return I answered, perhaps don't ask the question if your just gonna bash the logic of answering in the first place?
2. There isn't, teams that have good young and signed goalies have usually built properly around them, so they don't trade them, I'll give you that, regardless, goalies still don't have the value you seem to think he does, no goalie does, again too much parody in the position, like a RB in football.
3. Great, not sure what point your making here, if you paid attention you'd know I stood up for Demko based on this logic already, but go ahead, keep making a point that didn't need to be made.....
4. He is, and yes on some he could be, in general, he is not a 1st line C, he has never been and likely won't ever be, I love Horvat, I wish we could keep him, but he's simply not a traditional 1st line C and teams know that.
5. No I didn't, where did I insinuate that in any way? I said teams would have to make sure he was healthy before trading for him, which I'm sorry why wouldn't they? He was supposed to be out short term and now is supposed to be out for 10 weeks (in total), like that wouldn't be concerning?
6. Because he is shooting at a percentage that is not sustainable, because he's doing all of this in a year where he's looking to get paid based on his performance, because he's 27 and never shown any ability before this to put up numbers like this, and because let's be honest, his offense is great, his face offs are great, his defensive play is average, at best. Finally he's a rental, and even if re-signed he wants a lot of money, that's not a positive for cap strapped teams looking to trade for him. Again I love Horvat, but he's a 2nd line C, a very good one, but that's his value. Period.
7. Not doing that.
8. Well, you keep thinking that, goalies don't have the value you seem to think they do, and precedent (overall precedent, not one trade 10 years ago) agrees with me. Horvat while a great player is a rental and rentals don't return that much, again precedent is on my side here.
Not every Canucks fan it was a minority and you know it.It does go both ways. Last year JT Miller was a 99 point #1C who was worth the sun the moon and the stars according to every Canucks fan…and now it’s a contract that might not even have positive value.
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