Speculation: Holland & Columbus. Columbus & Holland. In it together. How? Why?

[smokersarejokers]

I thought Coffey was becoming GM after Holland’s contract ran out?

Was supposed to be Steve Staios, but he jumped ship for the Ottawa job after seeing the shit show he'd inherit. That should tell you all you need to know...

We ain't getting anyone good. It'll be Mark Hunter or some other failed shithed dinosaur.

 

[Oilhawks]

Was supposed to be Steve Staios, but he jumped ship for the Ottawa job after seeing the shit show he'd inherit. That should tell you all you need to know...

We ain't getting anyone good. It'll be Mark Hunter or some other failed shithed dinosaur.

The bolded is pure conjecture (not like the Sens are a wonderful inheritance anyhow), it was all about timing. Holland should have taken a symbolic position to make way for Staios. He didn't want to wait around

 

[McDNicks17]

Not really keen on Hunter either, though he's allegedly a good evaluator of draft talent (an area sorely lacking in this shite front office as it is currently). Is Tulsky someone with a big hand in drafting and developing? We need to start prepping for the inevitable departures / loss of the big two, and really start to get back into a proper drafting and development model. With all these big ticket players they need to offset that with young, hungry, motivated talent pushing up and forcing decisions. There is no way they can pay off the top guys and still fill out with quality middle 6 and top 4 D, especially in light of their horrific cap management.

Please not another nepotism hire, or OBC connection FFS. Someone shrewd and saavy when it comes to drafting and development, and a good negotiator when it comes to contracts.

I'd disagree with that.

He ran the Leafs drafts in 2015, 2016 and 2017. He made a couple no-brainer picks in Matthews and Marner and then managed to get Liljegren and Woll as the only regular NHLers with a mind-bottling 27 picks.

Same goes for the Knights. They've produced one NHLer(Luke Evangelista) they've drafted since 2015. Like 95% of their big hits were guys going the NCAA route(Marner, Tkachuk, Kane, Carlson, Gagner, Dvorak, Tinordi, Maroon, etc.) who miraculously changed their mind after being drafted by the Knights.

 

[smokersarejokers]

The bolded is pure conjecture (not like the Sens are a wonderful inheritance anyhow), it was all about timing. Holland should have taken a symbolic position to make way for Staios. He didn't want to wait around

Fair point. He and Mike Andlauer obviously have history.

That said, it seemed like the Oilers brought him in to be the heir apparent and then didn't really give him anything to do.

Don't blame him for leaving.

 

[McShogun99]

Holland's first hire as GM of Columbus will be to make Tyler Wright the head of amateur scouting.

 

[Lay Z Boy GM]

They obviously told Holland he won’t be signed. They just didn’t want to fire the guy mid season or anything.

I guess he’s still not ready to retire..

Man id take that Tulksy guy all day

 

[Broberg Speed]

It should happen, Holland and Columbus, today.

Also a cloned 35 year old Glen Sather should take over as GM

Holland could trade us Provorov.

Had we acquired that player this year at the deadline we'd already be in the conference finals.

 

[CROTT]

 

[29Beast97Mode]

Being a blue jackets fan must be agony

 

[9GWG9]

Ill take a shot at it!

 

[nturn06]

Holland's first hire as GM of Columbus will be to make Tyler Wright the head of amateur scouting.

If he can also take Dustin Schwartz with him it would be great.

 

[Messrules11]

Ill take a shot at it!

I think there are certain fans who would do a better job than Holland and I sincerely mean that.

 

[timekeep]

He is still a POS if he is interviewing with his team underachieving in the playoffs.

And if he did accept a meeting with Davidson in person in Edmonton, he should be shown the door now.

I truly believe he knew he was out before the deadline then didn't give a shit or work hard enough or was too bitter to care enough about upgrading the roster.

Its been a long time since an Oiler GM has had full autonomy on trades and player signings.

 

[Sheikyerbouti]

This sounds pretty on point for the bluejackets

 

[LTIR]

Have a feeling thay Staios will be an Oilers GM one day.
Might be in 5 yrs but it will happen

Holland could trade us Provorov.

Had we acquired that player this year at the deadline we'd already be in the conference finals.

Provorov for Nurse? Make it so!

 

[brentashton]

I voted potato. Can't squeeze potatoes very easily.

I voted potato also. They have thick skin and eyes.

 

[Pavel10]

Honeslty good riddance. Brad Holland must go as well. We can't have someone with mixed loyalties here.

Also the idea Brad Holland is anything special is hogwash.

One eyed man is king of the blind and this organization has never had an iota of analytics. Every dummy under 35 in the business knows a bit about analytics - input nepotism Brad in that pot.

You want a wiz kid go find one the way Zito did for Sunny Mehta who doesn't have daddy to get him a job.

 

[brentashton]

If @Cloned is named GM he can officially and finally date my daughter so long as I’m named POHO.

Can you guys work together though?

 

[Oilhawks]

Oilers will hire McTavish as GM. Typical Nepotism hire

You must have graduated at the top of your class

 

[Spawn]

Holland was VASTLY better than Chiarelli.

However, that doesn't say much and overall he's been kinda below average.

If he knows he's out and negotiating with Columbus in the middle of the playoffs, I don't really mind. His work is done; at this point it's more up to Knoblauch to work with what's already been put together.

Below average is generous. He wasted the prime of the best hockey player of the past 30 years. Never once gave McDavid and Draisaitl a roster that can genuinely compete for a cup. He's leaving us with an absolute destitute prospect pool. Between the Neal buyout and Brown bonuses he's at $5M+ of flat out dead cap space. Add in a $5M AHL goalie in Campbell and we're up to $10M+. Throw in Nurse being overpaid by ~$3M at least and we're approaching ~$13-14M of wasted cap space.

He made exactly one worthwhile trade in 5 years in the Ekholm deal. Other than that his deals have all been worthless or detrimental.

 

[29Beast97Mode]

1. Arrive
2. Destroy McDavid prime years
3. Leave

 

[rboomercat90]

Was supposed to be Steve Staios, but he jumped ship for the Ottawa job after seeing the shit show he'd inherit. That should tell you all you need to know...

We ain't getting anyone good. It'll be Mark Hunter or some other failed shithed dinosaur.

There was a tweet back in November, I can’t remember where it came from but it was right after the Oilers lost to San Jose. The guy said both Woodcroft and Manson would be fired after the Anaheim game at the end of the Oilers road trip. It said Gulutzan would be named interim coach and Paul Coffey would be named GM. He got Gulutzan wrong but it’s easy to conclude that could have been the plan if the Oilers had not been able to reach a deal with the Rangers for Knoblach. When Coffey was named as an assistant coach without any previous pro coaching experience many here thought it was so he could get an inside look into that dressing room before he replaced Holland as GM. Looks like many are forgetting about what was going on in November. Whatever the plans were or weren’t for Steve Staois, he was long gone by the time Jeff Jackson’s plans started unfolding back in November.

 

[Heavy Dee]

There was a tweet back in November, I can’t remember where it came from but it was right after the Oilers lost to San Jose. The guy said both Woodcroft and Manson would be fired after the Anaheim game at the end of the Oilers road trip. It said Gulutzan would be named interim coach and Paul Coffey would be named GM. He got Gulutzan wrong but it’s easy to conclude that could have been the plan if the Oilers had not been able to reach a deal with the Rangers for Knoblach. When Coffey was named as an assistant coach without any previous pro coaching experience many here thought it was so he could get an inside look into that dressing room before he replaced Holland as GM. Looks like many are forgetting about what was going on in November. Whatever the plans were or weren’t for Steve Staois, he was long gone by the time Jeff Jackson’s plans started unfolding back in November.

Jackson hired a crappy retread as an amateur scouting director and a rookie head coach for a contending team. His moves have sucked so far.

 

[TheNumber4]

Id also add Dallas…first hand experience with seeing Nil’s body of work drafting, developing, trading and signing.

Jim Nill and his head scout Joe McDonnel both worked under Holland for 10+ years. You’d think Holland would already know how the Stars work.

But probably those two guys had to succeed in Detroit in spite of Holland. Wouldn’t be surprised if that was the case.

 

[rboomercat90]

Jackson hired a crappy retread as an amateur scouting director and a rookie head coach for a contending team. His moves have sucked so far.

I’m not saying they haven’t. I’m just trying to remind people of what was happening in November. I didn’t see anybody talking about Coffey when he’s likely going to be the guy.