Hewitt Division Final: Cobalt Silver Kings vs Montreal Maroons

[Theokritos]

COBALT SILVER KINGS

Coach: Art Ross
Assistant Coach: Jacques Demers

John LeClair --- Stan Mikita --- Mike Bossy
Bert Olmstead --- Max Bentley --- Bill Mosienko
Don Marshall --- Guy Carbonneau (A) --- Ed Westfall
Vic Hadfield --- Frank McGee --- Eddie Oatman
Pud Glass --- Jeff Carter

Rod Langway (C) --- Bill Quackenbush
Pat Stapleton --- Fern Flaman (A)
Bobby Rowe --- Red Dutton
Dion Phaneuf

Bernie Parent
Curtis Joseph

PP1
John LeClair - Stan Mikita - Mike Bossy
Bill Quackenbush - Max Bentley

PP2
Bert Olmstead - Frank McGee - Bill Mosienko
Pat Stapleton - Red Dutton

PK1
Ed Westfall - Guy Carbonneau
Rod Langway - Fern Flaman

PK2
Bert Olmstead - Don Marshall
Bill Quackenbush - Red Dutton​

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[Theokritos]

Coach: Peter Laviolette
Assistant Coach: Frank Patrick
Captain: Dit Clapper
Alternates: Sylvio Mantha, George Armstrong

Anatoli Firsov --- Cyclone Taylor --- Jarome Iginla
Dean Prentice --- Henri Richard --- Rod Gilbert
Smokey Harris --- Russell Bowie --- George Armstrong (A)
Bob Bourne --- Vladimir Shadrin --- Floyd Curry

Bill Gadsby --- Dit Clapper (C)
Frank Patrick --- Sylvio Mantha (A)
Kevin Lowe --- Yuri Liapkin

Georges Vezina
Chuck Rayner



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PP1: Cyclone Taylor - Bill Gadsby - Anatoli Firsov - Russell Bowie - Jarome Iginla
PP2: Frank Patrick - Yuri Liapkin - Dit Clapper - Henri Richard - Rod Gilbert

PK1: Sylvio Mantha - Dit Clapper - Vladimir Shadrin - Floyd Curry
PK2: Kevin Lowe - Bill Gadsby - Bob Bourne - George Armstrong

Spares: Billy Burch (C/LW), Dallas Smith (D), Harry Hyland (RW)

Forward Minutes

Player | ES | PP | PK | Total
Anatoli Firsov| 14 | 5| 0 | 19
Cyclone Taylor| 14 | 5 | 0 | 19
Jarome Iginla| 14 | 4 | 0 |18
Dean Prentice| 13 | 0 | 1 |14
Henri Richard| 15 | 2 | 1 | 18
Rod Gilbert | 13 | 3 | 0 | 16
Smokey Harris| 12 | 0 | 0 | 13
Russell Bowie| 11 | 4 | 0 | 15
George Armstrong| 11 | 0 | 3 | 14
Bob Bourne | 7 | 0 | 2 | 9
Vladimir Shadrin| 6 | 0 | 4 | 10
Floyd Curry | 7 | 0 | 3 | 10
TOTAL | 138 | 23 | 14 | 178

Defensemen Minutes

Player | ES | PP | PK | Total
Bill Gadsby | 17 | 3 | 3 | 23
Dit Clapper| 17 | 3 | 4 | 24
Frank Patrick| 16 | 3 | 0 | 19
Sylvio Mantha| 16 | 0 | 4 | 20
Kevin Lowe| 13 | 0 | 3 | 16
Yuri Liapkin | 13 | 3 | 0 | 13
TOTAL | 92 | 12 | 14 | 115

 

[ResilientBeast]

I'd like to congratulate myself for finally winning an ATD playoff series

 

[ResilientBeast]

Looking at our top 6 forwards

Mikita
Bossy

Taylor

Richard
Firsov

Bentley
Iginla

Gilbert
Leclair

Olmstead

Prentice
Mosienko

Rough fudge just to kick things off, but it's clear you have the better two forwards, but looking at our top sixes as a whole I think it's far closer.

 

[chaosrevolver]

I'd like to congratulate myself for finally winning an ATD playoff series

SAME!

 

[chaosrevolver]

Looking at our top 6 forwards

Mikita
Bossy

Taylor

Richard
Firsov

Bentley
Iginla

Gilbert
Leclair

Olmstead

Prentice
Mosienko

Rough fudge just to kick things off, but it's clear you have the better two forwards, but looking at our top sixes as a whole I think it's far closer.

I think Bentley trends closer to the Richard/Firsov territory but fair enough.

 

[Sprague Cleghorn]

Looking at our top 6 forwards

Mikita
Bossy

Taylor

Richard
Firsov

Bentley
Iginla

Gilbert
Leclair

Olmstead

Prentice
Mosienko

Rough fudge just to kick things off, but it's clear you have the better two forwards, but looking at our top sixes as a whole I think it's far closer.

Honestly, I'd bump Bossy down to the Taylor tier. Mikita is in the 10-20 GOAT range, and I really don't see Bossy anywhere close to that range. He's more of a 30-40 GOAT, which is the same range I'd put Taylor in.

 

[ResilientBeast]

Honestly, I'd bump Bossy down to the Taylor tier. Mikita is in the 10-20 GOAT range, and I really don't see Bossy anywhere close to that range. He's more of a 30-40 GOAT, which is the same range I'd put Taylor in.

I wouldn't disagree.

 

[ResilientBeast]

Compairing our top 4D

Gadsby
Clapper

Quackenbush
Langway


Mantha
Flaman
Stapleton


Patrick

For two pretty top heavy teams we have comparable D in strength, my top pair is better but not by tons while your second pair is better.

Just to touch on goalies Vezina vs Parent I think I have the clear goaltending advantage it's not giant but it's still large enough to be a difference maker IMO

 

[ResilientBeast]

Your third line is built purely to shut down a unit, I assume with last change you'll staple them to my top unit?

I bring this up because I think there's a pretty sizable offensive depth mismatch. My shut down center in Richard is perfectly competent offensively and will be much more of a threat offensively compared to Carbonneau.

 

[seventieslord]

Gadsby over Clapper?

 

[ResilientBeast]

Gadsby over Clapper?

In an absolute sense as D yes, just because Gadsby was a D his entire career. The HOH project backs me up. As tiers though they are right beside each other IMO

 

[Hawkey Town 18]

The direct player comparisons are nice, but how about some talk from each GM about how their team will beat the other? How will you counter your opponent's strengths? How will you expose their weaknesses? Etc.


EDIT: RB started to do it in post #10

 

[chaosrevolver]

Sorry just got internet again.

I'm curious to hear who will shut down Mikita-Bossy?

Vezina is better than Parent but Bernie's playoff resume makes it pretty close.

Defensively I like my depth better but I agree Clapper and Gadsby are prob the two best. I feel pretty comfortable shutting down that top line with my elite defensive line and while Richard is solid, I feel I could match Mikita's line against theirs and control the puck.

 

[ResilientBeast]

Sorry just got internet again.

I'm curious to hear who will shut down Mikita-Bossy?

Vezina is better than Parent but Bernie's playoff resume makes it pretty close.

Defensively I like my depth better but I agree Clapper and Gadsby are prob the two best. I feel pretty comfortable shutting down that top line with my elite defensive line and while Richard is solid, I feel I could match Mikita's line against theirs and control the puck.

In an ideal world Richard's line will go against Mikita's

I like Richard shadowing Mikita and I think Prentice as a speedy shadow will be effective in managing Bossy.

Your third is an absolute no show offensively, so if they'll be out there for ~20 minutes sure you'll shut down my top line (maybe) but going that long without any offense to speak of will be tough. I think a pure shutdown line is useful against a one line team. But with Taylor, Richard and Bowie down the middle this is clearly not the case.

Your second line is 2/3 great, but is Mosienko really a second liner in a draft this size? I get the proven chemistry angle but I'm honestly not afraid of that line. Heck even Bentley has great numbers on paper but has a giant war sized asterisk next to his big years.

Olmstead was great but he was never "the guy" on his line and your team is going to lean heavily on your second line for offence this series and I just don't see it.

I have three lines that are competent in their own ends and dynamic offensively

I don't know how to make this comparison but is Parent that good in the playoffs to close the gulf between them?

Vezina in NHA playoffs and cup finals GAA dropped 0.339
Vezina in NHL playoffs GAA dropped 0.59

Parent in NHL playoffs GAA went up by 0.01

Like if someone can explain to me if I'm missing something but I still think I have a sizable advantage in net still.

I have better offensive depth at forward
You have the stronger defensive line
I have the better top pairing
You have better defensive depth
I have better goaltending
I have better coaching

 

[ResilientBeast]

My D matching up isn't a massive priority for me, I think either of my top 2 pairs will be excellent against either of your top 2 lines

They all have size and are tough as nails and will not be intimidated by Olmstead and Leclair down low but they're all decent enough skaters to handle your speedier not coke machine forwards

 

[ResilientBeast]

Just looking at the offensive firepower

Taylor, Iginla, Firsov, Richard, Gilbert, Bowie

vs

Mikta, Bossy, Leclair, Bentley, Olmstead, McGee

The offensive depth of my top 9 cannot be stated enough. 3 lines built to score and be competent in their own end, you have 2 in your top 9 and then your spare parts line

Without a minute chart do you plan your checking line to spend 20 minutes on the ice against my top line?

 

[seventieslord]

Without a minute chart do you plan your checking line to spend 20 minutes on the ice against my top line?

You mean 15?

 

[ResilientBeast]

You mean 15?

Yes

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[seventieslord]

Yes

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