Here's a good one- Does Sergei Bobrovsky get into the Hall of Fame?

[The Colonel]

2 Vezina Trophies
2 NHL First All Star
World Championship Gold Medal
World Championship Best Goaltender
Won the Columbus Blue Jackets their first ever series with a dominant sweep over Presidents Trophy winning Tampa Bay Lightning

He is currently 34 and just took the Panthers to game 6 against the record setting Bruins. But for years now has been severely overpaid and barely considered a starter.

Does he get into the Hall?

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[BLNY]

In his era, with less than 400 wins, I'm not sure he gets in.

 

[LemonSauceD]

I think he is very well on track to be. If Luongo made it with no Vezina, I think Bob does too. Luongo did have much more wins though.

A lot clown him, but when he was in his prime, he was Hasek like.

I’d have to think he makes the HOF.

 

[um]

A Halak'd upset of the Bruins this year would help.

 

[3074326]

I think he gets in, two Vezinas is pretty huge.

But, Tim Thomas has two Vezinas and is not in. Thomas has more hardware. Shorter career.

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

no.

2 good years and a bunch of crap to average plus a very crap playoff resume

 

[eojsmada]

I will say no, because he has no consistent level of track record, year in and year out, to be considered one of the elite goaltenders of his generation.

It would be like asking if Taylor Hall should be in the Hall of Fame. The answer is clearly no, even with a Hart Trophy under his arm.

 

[GreenLine]

Is he the worst goalie to win 2 Vezinas? It's really hard to believe he has 2 when goalies who were elite for a long time like Lundqvist, Price, Rask, Hellebuyck and Vasilevsky each only have 1.

I'd imagine the HHOF looks at more context than just the awards won. He's been bad for awhile and his brief peak wasn't that dominant.

 

[Primary Assist]

Goalies are weird (understatement of eternity) - if any skater wins 2 awards (Norris, Rocket, Selke) then they are basically a lock for the Hall. Hell, if I'm not mistaken I think Randy Carlyle is the only non active player eligible for the Hall of Fame with a Norris who isn't in the Hall. But for a goalie to make it in you really need either a Cup or an Olympic Gold in addition to the personal hardware. Now Bob never played for a contender and the second half of his prime coincided with no NHLers at the Olympics, but I just don't think he has enough to move the needle to make it into the hall. Unless he turns back time and has a stellar twilight season to end his career I just don't think he's Toronto bound

Edit - Random thought, and I'd have to look more closely at their career numbers, but a good comp may be Jose Theodore. Theodore also has 2 pieces of individual hardware (Hart and Vezina) albeit they came in the same year. No Cup, no Gold, no greater glory outside of the regular season. And not to distract from the thread, but when Theodore won both of these awards in 2002 he was still somehow only named a *second* All Star at end of season. I wonder how many times in history a Hart winner was only on the 2nd All Star team

 

[The Colonel]

A Halak'd upset of the Bruins this year would help.

Yeah that's what I'm thinking. He needs a little something more. Let's see if they can pull off the upset...

 

[Bgav]

My first thought was HELL NO.

But after seeing two vezinas... that's HOF stuff

 

[Mattilaus]

Goalies are weird (understatement of eternity) - if any skater wins 2 awards (Norris, Rocket, Selke) then they are basically a lock for the Hall. Hell, if I'm not mistaken I think Randy Carlyle is the only non active player eligible for the Hall of Fame with a Norris who isn't in the Hall. But for a goalie to make it in you really need either a Cup or an Olympic Gold in addition to the personal hardware. Now Bob never played for a contender and the second half of his prime coincided with no NHLers at the Olympics, but I just don't think he has enough to move the needle to make it into the hall. Unless he turns back time and has a stellar twilight season to end his career I just don't think he's Toronto bound

Edit - Random thought, and I'd have to look more closely at their career numbers, but a good comp may be Jose Theodore. Theodore also has 2 pieces of individual hardware (Hart and Vezina) albeit they came in the same year. No Cup, no Gold, no greater glory outside of the regular season. And not to distract from the thread, but when Theodore won both of these awards in 2002 he was still somehow only named a *second* All Star at end of season. I wonder how many times in history a Hart winner was only on the 2nd All Star team

Part of that is that there just isn't as much competition for a vezina. There are realistically what? 35-40 goalies who play enough each year to really warrant consideration? Even if every team in the NHL only played 6 total D all year, that's still 192 candidates for the Norris. I would argue winning a Norris is much harder to win.

 

[The Colonel]

Random thought, and I'd have to look more closely at their career numbers, but a good comp may be Jose Theodore. Theodore also has 2 pieces of individual hardware (Hart and Vezina) albeit they came in the same year. No Cup, no Gold, no greater glory outside of the regular season. And not to distract from the thread, but when Theodore won both of these awards in 2002 he was still somehow only named a *second* All Star at end of season. I wonder how many times in history a Hart winner was only on the 2nd All Star team

Yeah there are definitely similarities with Theodore but Bobrovsky has had considerably more long-term success than Jose. He does have 2 Vezinas gapped by a few years- and unlike Theodore who by this point in his career was done- Bob is still actually starting a fair chunk of games and doing alright.

EDIT- Just looked up Theodore and turns out he had a late career renaissance- so I would say a rather solid comparable afterall

 

[Gil Gunderson]

He has more longevity but there's no way he should get in before Tim Thomas.

 

[The Colonel]

He has more longevity but there's no way he should get in before Tim Thomas.

I always assumed Tim Thomas was so damned unlikable and that was the only thing keeping an otherworldly talent like him out.

 

[SomeDude]

I always assumed Tim Thomas was so damned unlikable and that was the only thing keeping an otherworldly talent like him out.

Pretty much. I think the voters just don’t like the person so they’re not letting him in as a player. I don’t know, you either have to vote strictly based on what they did on the ice or hold everyone to the same standard. We all know there are people in the Hall of Fame who are also first ballot in the POS hall.

Bobrovsky will be interesting. The first half of his career looks like a slam dunk but signing a huge deal and then apparently coasting from them on will leave a sour taste in a lot of peoples mouths and sway recency bias depending on how the rest of his career goes.

 

[Rodgerwilco]

Doubtful. He had a good peak, but it was so short and he's been a liability for a long time now.

For what it's worth... anyone who thinks Bob deserves in, by extension must also agree that Fleury goes in too, in my opinion.

 

[SomeDude]

For what it's worth... anyone who thinks Bob deserves in, by extension must also agree that Fleury goes in too, in my opinion.

Is this really even a real debate anymore, I mean other than people who just admittedly hate MAF?

 

[3074326]

Doubtful. He had a good peak, but it was so short and he's been a liability for a long time now.

For what it's worth... anyone who thinks Bob deserves in, by extension must also agree that Fleury goes in too, in my opinion.

MAF is an absolute lock. He's third all-time in wins, has multiple cups and a Vezina.

 

[blundluntman]

He has 7 great to decent regular season campaigns and pretty below average playoff performances so I think it all depends on him putting together a few decent playoff performances and a good deep run. The 2 vezinas count for something but he needs a better playoff resume or 400+ wins imo

 

[Machinehead]

That's not a good one.

 

[The Colonel]

That's not a good one.

You're not a good one.

 

[Machinehead]

You're not a good one.

I lol'd

 

[GermanSpitfire]

Eventually, I think he does…

 

[Bear of Bad News]

just took the Panthers to game 6 against the record setting Bruins.

Of course, he "accomplished" this by accruing one victory (Alex Lyon has gotten the other one so far).