TSN: Hard data suggests Sens’ rebuild isn’t over

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Travis Yost: Hard data suggests Ottawa Senators' rebuild isn’t over - TSN.ca

There is little to quibble with as it pertains to Dorion’s stockpiling of talented prospects who have dominated at lower levels – Ottawa boasts one of the league’s deepest farm systems, and that young talent has been injected into the NHL lineup in recent seasons. So much so that the Senators expect to enter this season with an average forward age just north of 23.

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[robsenz]

Outside of our younger players maturing a year it's hard to even say Ottawa got any better this year. Rough start to our first year of success. Also hilarious that we are spending to the cap and currently are #32 in the league in that regard

 

[cudi]

in b4 shitting on Yost

 

[PoutineSp00nZ]

Oh the hockey buzz writer has opinions. Exciting.

 

[SlapJack]

You rebuild when your core is aging and failing by shipping out those assets for futures, and then subsequently suck so your draft position becomes favorable. Ottawa is out of sell mode and have acquired a ton of younger assets. So in that sense, the rebuild is done.

Question moving forward is if they built a future contender or a mediocre lemon. Another fortuitous acquisition may still be required to push them into being a real contender, but that's part of every team's push year over year to get better.

 

[Micklebot]

Outside of our younger players maturing a year it's hard to even say Ottawa got any better this year. Rough start to our first year of success. Also hilarious that we are spending to the cap and currently are #32 in the league in that regard

Depends on what you compare this year's team to, start of last year or end.

We started last year like this:

Tkachuk-Norris-Batherson
Stützle-Stepan-Dadonov
Paul-Tierney-Brown
Paquette-Anisimov-Watson

Chabot-Zaitsev
Wolanin-Gudbranson
Coburn-Brown

This year we should be starting with (not lines but players):

Tkachuk-Norris-Batherson
Stützle-Tierney-Brown
Paul-Pinto-Sanford
Formenton-White-Watson

Chabot-Zub
MDZ-Zaitsev
Brannstrom-Holden

It's not a big jump but imo it is better than last year particularly if you use hindsight with Dadonov and like last year we should improve as we go, perhaps adding JBD, Sokolov or Thomson if they prove ready.

Oh, we likely also get much better goaltending.

 

[cudi]

how do you make data hard? give it some porn

 

[Sweatred]

Depends on what you compare this year's team to, start of last year or end.

We started last year like this:

Tkachuk-Norris-Batherson
Stützle-Stepan-Dadonov
Paul-Tierney-Brown
Paquette-Anisimov-Watson

Chabot-Zaitsev
Wolanin-Gudbranson
Coburn-Brown

This year we should be starting with (not lines but players):

Tkachuk-Norris-Batherson
Stützle-Tierney-Brown
Paul-Pinto-Sanford
Formenton-White-Watson

Chabot-Zub
MDZ-Zaitsev
Brannstrom-Holden

It's not a big jump but imo it is better than last year particularly if you use hindsight with Dadonov and like last year we should improve as we go, perhaps adding JBD, Sokolov or Thomson if they prove ready.

Oh, we likely also get much better goaltending.

Lines look good to me with Pinto probably bumping CT from 2C.

 

[Senscore]

how do you make data hard? give it some porn

What if data has been under a lot of stress lately?

 

[jbeck5]

What if data has been under a lot of stress lately?

Then give it alcohol and then it will be hard

 

[Alex The Loyal]

My hard data suggests that if you are basically always not extending your best player and captains and trading them away is your rebuild ever truly over?

 

[Big Muddy]

I think its possible that EM instructed Dorion to make the "rebuild is over" statements in hopes that would increase attendance.

You know what they say: "Follow the money".

 

[JD1]

It seems "the rebuild is over" means different things to different people. Not surprising

Yost writing an article with a negative slant about Ottawa. Not surprising either

 

[IranCondraAffair]

Yeah, I'm not sure we can look at past seasons and project where we'll be this season. So much of a roster changes. Young players improve, odler guys regress, guys get injuried, guys get healthy, competition gets worse or better, etc...

This is a pretty meaningless projection, IMO.

 

[DJB]

Not clicking on anything that hack hockeybuzz writer Yost produces.

No need to read it and I can surmise that it is filled with an entirely negative viewpoint.

 

[thinkwild]

It's an interesting question - when is a rebuild over? I dont think hockey fans have ever really come to agreement on that somewhat nebulous term.

My first thought was that it is over when you get back to where you were when you started it, but that's probably not right. Yost has an interesting attempt at quantifying it by comparing goals vs. expected goals. I never thought of that, i wonder if there's any statistical merit to that.

But maybe like that early Sens team, ill start thinking the rebuild is over when we dont feel we have any missing pieces and we start to trade futures for win now pieces and most fans dont think management has lost it for doing so.

But yeah, i guess we are just plain old building now. Which means no more of excuses of: 'we are just a rebuilding team so lay off'. What a glorious year for a series of unfortunate events that lead to a tank though. Weird spot to be in i guess.

 

[slamigo]

I feel that a rebuild is over when the team is consistently competitive and assured to make the playoffs most years.

 

[HSF]

Kinda dumb to say the rebuild is over when the team on paper is probably not close to a playoff spot

instead they should have just said that we expect to battle for a playoff spot or something like that

the sens have holes in their top 6 and top 4 d

 

[Alex The Loyal]

Kinda dumb to say the rebuild is over when the team on paper is probably not close to a playoff spot

instead they should have just said that we expect to battle for a playoff spot or something like that

the sens have holes in their top 6 and top 4 d

And also the team is still incapable of giving their should be captain a long term contract. It's not exactly coming up millhouse.

Pierre shoulda just said they expect to be more competitive and carry the form from end of last season

 

[SensFactor]

When your owner is broker or cheap, the rebuild continues in perpetuity

 

[Cosmix]

And also the team is still incapable of giving their should be captain a long term contract. It's not exactly coming up millhouse.

Pierre shoulda just said they expect to be more competitive and carry the form from end of last season

I find PD to be full of BS.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

We know the rebuild isn't over when we're still missing a few key components. Those 1C, 1/2RW, 2/3D slots are still open.

 

[Benttheknee]

What I take the rebuild to mean is that the players they have are going to be the ones they build on. The draft picks to come are the ones that will augment the solid foundation, or they could be traded for specific pieces. Essentially, they are no longer tanking.

Yost is looking at historic data, but the Sens are looking at the future. I do not think the Sens make the playoffs this year, but they will not be drafting 5th, lottery excepted of course.

 

[DrEasy]

in b4 shitting on Yost

Oh the hockey buzz writer has opinions. Exciting.

You made it by about 15 minutes @cudi !

 

[PoutineSp00nZ]

You made it by about 15 minutes @cudi !

I saw his post, and had to say something haha.

But seriously, yost is a tool.