Bryanbryoil
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- Sep 13, 2004
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Are you saying Acrobello > Gagner?
No, I am saying that Arco could be < Gagner as a short term fix and that Arco + the trade return for Gagner could be > Gagner.
Are you saying Acrobello > Gagner?
Are you saying Acrobello > Gagner?
No, I am saying that Arco could be < Gagner as a short term fix and that Arco + the trade return for Gagner could be > Gagner.
I've seen enough to know that I am not a fan of the Barons coaching staff, 5 consecutive losses to the same team at this level with the players that we have = completely unacceptable. Pair that with the complete lack of progress from Pitlick, Hamilton, and Teubert this season and I must admit that I am very underwhelmed by our coaching down there. If the NHL starts up and those players don't find themselves by year end I'm none too pleased if I am Tambellini.
No, I am saying that Arco could be < Gagner as a short term fix and that Arco + the trade return for Gagner could be > Gagner.
Lol Acrobat-bello.
I just don't feel like trading away from our depthless position at centre. What if Arcobello gets injured? We run with Horcoff? What if we buy out Horcoff with the new amnesty plan? RNH - Belanger - Lander - VV, and the defenceman we get back in the Gagner trade?
Too many questions arise for me, at least. Plus, the tale of the tape suggests Gagner > Arcobello.
Looks like you're onto it. It only matters what these Barons are showing against good clubs that can play a system and compete. They can kick the stuffing against quite a few teams in this league but how about the better clubs? With this lineup you'd think we'd be able to compete with any club. I kind of worry about the development that way and have all season. We're not getting a lot of wins against premium opponents.
He's stronger on his skates than Gagner is or at least comparable so I don't buy the "he'd get killed" BS. The biggest differences between the AHL and NHL are speed and skill, player strength is VERY comparable between the two leagues.
All Wild teams shall eat Oilers teams.
Nah, thats dangerous slippery slope thinking. The kind of thing that backwards orgs do trading away their good draft picks. We got value with Gagner. Arco I like, but he's not anywhere close. He'd be a cup of coffee player at the NHL level.
Wise clubs hang onto their drafted depth. You don't often get good return for dealing them. Its a losing game doing that. I can't emphasize this enough, ESPECIALLY with a dunce like Tambo as your horse trader.
He looks stronger on his skates in the AHL, big difference in the NHL.
Arcobello has never been a big difference maker in the AHL until he got put on the top line with highly skilled NHLers, it's skewing his numbers a lot.
Gagner for as many faults as he has, is still a proven NHL caliber top 6 player so to say that Arcobello would be a suitable replacement for Gagner is really far fetched. I sure hope that Oilers management doesn't think this way.
I like Arcobello as an AHLer, possible call up to the NHL in case of injury but to bank on him as an everyday top 6 NHLer is way too risky.
It really isn't, like I've said strength between the leagues isn't much different, if you think that his skating is sub par, his skills won't translate, he doesn't think the game fast enough, then I'd be fine with that line of thinking. Just based on strength? I'm not buying it at all. It might well be risky, however since I don't see Gagner here long term anyway IMO it at least gives us an option not named Horcoff or Belanger until we can find something worth keeping. Also he was one of the Barons top scorers in the regular season and playoffs last year so it's not like he's been an AHL bum.
It's ****ing stupid.
Its not by any means accidental.
Its one org stressing system hockey and players HAVING to buy into systems and another hoping to get by on individual talents alone.
In a team sport guess which wins almost every time?
Its not by any means accidental.
Its one org stressing system hockey and players HAVING to buy into systems and another hoping to get by on individual talents alone.
In a team sport guess which wins almost every time?
You constantly seem to be overrating the talent on the Barons beyond the top five or six guys. These are the Edmonton Oilers, except now their handful of elite talent is legitimately the best in the league, and their scraps are rookies and AHL, beer league bad rather than bad NHL players. At least the bad NHL players on the Oilers are, for the most part, still NHL players. Bad AHL players are people who should be finding day jobs.
It doesn't just boil down to coaching or systems, it's the fact that beyond the elite talent on the Barons, other teams are better everywhere else.
We've had as many as 9-10 NHL players in the AHL lineup for some of the games this year. We've had several other players that have played well at this level before. What is the problem then?
I don't buy that other clubs have better depth when we're icing half our NHL team here.
Taylor Hall and Jordan Eberle are by far the best players in the AHL right now.
He's not an AHL bum at all but he's not a big enough difference maker to the point that he is too good for the league and ready for a big promotion to a full time NHL top 6 position.
If they are replacing Gagner, it should be with an established NHL player otherwise, we should expect more lottery finishes. It's time for Tambellini to start planning a winning mentality and stop filling positions with players who have never handled such a high level of responsibility before.
Hmm...
Alright. I'll bite. It gives us something to do.
So, we trade Gagner (I'm not a fan of that. I'm a believer in HRH Snowpants. Makes me a dreamer).
What do our lines look like this season?
Or we don't trade Gagner. What do our lines look like?
Hall-Arco-Ebs Hall-RNH-Ebs
Yakupov-RNH-Hemsky Yakupov-Gagner-Hemsky
Smyth-Horcoff-Jones Smyth-Horcoff-Jones
Petrell-Belanger-Eager Petrell-Belanger-Eager
Ext: Hartski, Hordi, Paajarvi
Smid-Petry Smid-Petry
Schultz^2 Schultz^2
Whitney - Addition on Blueline Whitney-Peckman/Potter
Dubs/Danis/Khabi
Phew, that took a lot of effort.
Which one looks like better? Note: the addition on the blueline is likely >> Potter/Peckman.
EDIT: I wonder if this is thread worthy.
We've had as many as 9-10 NHL players in the AHL lineup for some of the games this year. We've had several other players that have played well at this level before. What is the problem then?
I don't buy that other clubs have better depth when we're icing half our NHL team here.
Guys that have a 50% or better shot at playing in the NHL for more than a cup of coffee: Hartikainen and Paajarvi
Guys that are fading into oblivion in a hurry: Pitlick, Hamilton, Martindale, Fedun
As I see it right now:
Guys that are surefire NHLers: Eberle, Hall, Schultz, RNH
Guys that have a 50% or better shot at playing in the NHL for more than a cup of coffee: Hartikainen and Paajarvi
Guys that have a 25% or better shot at playing in the NHL for more than a cup of coffee: Lander and Marincin
Guys that have a 10-20% chance shot at playing in the NHL for more than a cup of coffee: House, Vande Velde, Teubert, Deck
Guys that are fading into oblivion in a hurry: Pitlick, Hamilton, Martindale, Fedun