Proposal: Habs moving a D?

[amnesiac]

Nobody is gonna give up a 1st for Holtz and his 0.3 ppg.

Like Dach and Newhook?

 

[pth2]

Or: "I'd take a flier on a guy out of the bargain bin, but not willing to pay big prices"

Siegenthaler comp when NJD acquired him makes sense.

Buried in the depth chart, lost waiver exemptions.

3rd round pick or so would be what I'd expect

Siegenthaler was 2 more years past his draft year, had played as many NHL games but had fewer than half the points Barron has.

That being said, a 3d isn't all that different than the "late 2nd" someone else was asking for. (Siegenthaler went for #75, in the earlier part of the 3d round)

I’m not overpaying for a kid who’s 22 and still in the AHL, regardless of how much Habs fans overinflated his value or abilities.

Actually, you just aren't willing to pay anything of actual value.

Saying you'd take something from a garbage bin isn't the same as saying you'd buy something.

 

[habsfan44]

not seeing that due to increase in cap hit coming, lack of ability to send down

Barron having to clear waivers doesn't diminish his value . Rather than lose Primeau to waivers , GMKH carried three goalies right up to the trade deadline before moving Allen , there's no reason to believe he wouldn't do something similar with Barron if necessary .

 

[Xirik]

Siegenthaler was 2 more years past his draft year, had played as many NHL games but had fewer than half the points Barron has.

That being said, a 3d isn't all that different than the "late 2nd" someone else was asking for. (Siegenthaler went for #75, in the earlier part of the 3d round)


Actually, you just aren't willing to pay anything of actual value.

Saying you'd take something from a garbage bin isn't the same as saying you'd buy something.

He never said that.

 

[pth2]

He never said that.

Saying he wouldn't overpay is essentially saying that, because he clearly doesn't assign any value to the guy, so giving anything is amount to overpaying.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Like a guy who's beeb playing in the NHL vut hasn't established himself as a top6 yet.

Like Kakko, Krebs, Holtz, Newhook kinda player.

Not someone who's 23 and has never contributes in the NHL. Barron has shown he van be an effective NHL dman in the NHL, close to 40pts in 100nhl games. We are not going to trade him for a player that gas bot shown he can play in the NHL and be effectivw

Holy shit

 

[bernmeister]

Or: "I'd take a flier on a guy out of the bargain bin, but not willing to pay big prices"

Siegenthaler comp when NJD acquired him makes sense.

Buried in the depth chart, lost waiver exemptions.

3rd round pick or so would be what I'd expect

what i said

 

[bernmeister]

Barron having to clear waivers doesn't diminish his value . Rather than lose Primeau to waivers , GMKH carried three goalies right up to the trade deadline before moving Allen , there's no reason to believe he wouldn't do something similar with Barron if necessary .

fine
but that has cost [roster flexibility] which is why OP is trying to gauge offers

 

[Junohockeyfan]

It is a dif of op not a fact


because he is still better than some of the absolute drek on the roster of the rebuilding team which hungers greatly for a bit of competitiveness

Bernie when nobody agrees with you do you feel sad?

 

[habsfan44]

fine
but that has cost [roster flexibility] which is why OP is trying to gauge offers

Two goalies , eight defensemen and thirteen forwards for a twenty-three man roster . No loss of roster flexibility and adds time to make a move from a position of strength . I know it doesn't fit your narrative Bern but facts are facts .

 

[dgibb10]

Two goalies , eight defensemen and thirteen forwards for a twenty-three man roster . No loss of roster flexibility and adds time to make a move from a position of strength . I know it doesn't fit your narrative Bern but facts are facts .

If you want to have all of your 3 best prospects sit in the AHL to give NHL time to Justin Barron, Jordan Harris, and Arber Xhekaj, go right ahead

 

[Mersss]

If you want to have all of your 3 best prospects sit in the AHL to give NHL time to Justin Barron, Jordan Harris, and Arber Xhekaj, go right ahead

Habs are rebuilding, what's wrong with that!

Trade Savard and Kovacebic at the TDLL and promote who you need then. Zero rush

 

[Qwijibo]

Who is Vesey replacing?

Nobody, because no way Montreal takes him in a trade.

 

[Heldig]

Barron won't git the waivers

Hughes has shown he wont lose a young asset for free with Primeau this year.

Might take a few more examples to begin to see a pattern.

Like all rebuilding teams, as the talent begins to make the big club and as players exit entry level contracts, the Habs will inevitably have an over abundance of contracts and will waive players to make room for the ones bumping said player9s) out of the lineup.

You can only hold a player down so long as a waiver exempt reason before you have to find a way to get the player on the big club.

 

[Qwijibo]

I’m not overpaying for a kid who’s 22 and still in the AHL, regardless of how much Habs fans overinflated his value or abilities.

Its fine If Winnipeg doesnt want to pay market price There are 30 other teams Montreal can look to. As long as 1 team sees value in him they're good. If two teams are interested, even better.

 

[dgibb10]

Habs are rebuilding, what's wrong with that!

Trade Savard and Kovacebic at the TDLL and promote who you need then. Zero rush

That would probably be even worse.

A dcore that consists of 1 vet and 7 guys under the age of 24 is a terrible idea and there's a reason nobody in the NHL does it.

Brutal for development.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

If you want to have all of your 3 best prospects sit in the AHL to give NHL time to Justin Barron, Jordan Harris, and Arber Xhekaj, go right ahead

There is no need to rush them. Habs will rebuild the right way! They need lots of minutes in all situations and the best place to get that is in the AHL, rather than sheltered in the NHL.

 

[Scintillating10]

I see the Sharks as a good partner in this, Struble could be a good fit over there, so is Barron.
Their D prospect pool is sad, and they will draft a other Forwards this year.

Guess it's start with #42 +

A good young inexpensive defenseman should have solid trade value.

 

[Xirik]

I see the Sharks as a good partner in this, Struble could be a good fit over there, so is Barron.
Their D prospect pool is sad, and they will draft a other Forwards this year.

Guess it's start with #42 +

They have Thrun who played 51 games and rookie Mukhamadullin playing LD, they probably don't want to throw more babies into the fire. They are very thin on RD though.

 

[Souker]

I think we’re way overthinking this whole a D needs to get moved thing.
With the current players we have, the projected pairing:
Matheson - Savard
Guhle - Barron
Xhekaj - Kovacevic
Extras: Struble, Harris, (maybe Mailloux).

Realistically: Hutson, Reinbacher, Engstrom (and even potentially Mailloux) start in the AHL.
Some Habs fans automatically assuming that the young defencemen are all ready and no way we might realize 4-5 games in that in fact they are not.
So conservatively, we have 1 proven depth D too many but those go for a 3rd round pick, 2nd if lucky. It isn’t this big trade some are expecting.
Let’s wait till the 10 game mark of the season before making assumptions and trades based on those.
Harris likely gets traded for an early 3rd round pick and that solves that until the preseason.

 

[Spearmint Rhino]

I think we’re way overthinking this whole a D needs to get moved thing.
With the current players we have, the projected pairing:
Matheson - Savard
Guhle - Barron
Xhekaj - Kovacevic
Extras: Struble, Harris, (maybe Mailloux).

Realistically: Hutson, Reinbacher, Engstrom (and even potentially Mailloux) start in the AHL.
Some Habs fans automatically assuming that the young defencemen are all ready and no way we might realize 4-5 games in that in fact they are not.
So conservatively, we have 1 proven depth D too many but those go for a 3rd round pick, 2nd if lucky. It isn’t this big trade some are expecting.
Let’s wait till the 10 game mark of the season before making assumptions and trades based on those.
Harris likely gets traded for an early 3rd round pick and that solves that until the preseason.

C'mon we don't overhype our young D

Don't you remember how good our Top 4 of Tinordi, Beaulieu, Thrower and Brook turned out to be?

Or how about Juulsen, Mete, Lernout and Fleury?

 

[pth2]

C'mon we don't overhype our young D

Don't you remember how good our Top 4 of Tinordi, Beaulieu, Thrower and Brook turned out to be?

Or how about Juulsen, Mete, Lernout and Fleury?

Or the new big 3 of Wilkie, Fitzpatrick and Rivet ?

 

[Spearmint Rhino]

Or the new big 3 of Wilkie, Fitzpatrick and Rivet ?

At least Rivet got us Nuke, eventually

 

[Beige Van]

Rivet got us the pick we used for Pacioretty. Max got us Suzuki. Worked out very well!

 

[Scintillating10]

Rivet got us the pick we used for Pacioretty. Max got us Suzuki. Worked out very well!

One of the few times for the Habs